Tommy Pham nearing deal with White Sox, who are beyond his help

Tommy Pham
Tommy Pham (Joe Rondone/The Republic / USA TODAY NETWORK)

There’s one thing that best explains why the White Sox were routed by the Cincinnati Reds and why they’re reportedly nearing a deal with Tommy Pham on Sunday. You need look no further than their cleanup hitters in each game this weekend:

The last one isn’t actually that bad considering Sheets’ hot start, but then you see that Korey Lee was batting fifth, and it hammers the same point home. As long as Luis Robert Jr., Eloy Jiménez and Yoán Moncada are all out of commission, there isn’t a heart to this lineup, which is why the White Sox offense is baseball’s worst by most meaningful measurements.

That’s the micro explanation covering the Ken Rosenthal report that Pham is close to joining the White Sox on a minor-league contract. Pham hit .256/.328/.446 with 46 extra-base hits and 22 stolen bases over 129 games with the Mets and Diamondbacks last year, capped by a strong showing in the World Series. Whether it’s because he turned 36 last month, has a history of unusual off-field and on-field incidents, or hasn’t performed well in the last three even-numbered years, a minor-league deal with the worst team in baseball two weeks into the season is the best he could do.

Those factors also make it easy to step back and wonder why the White Sox are even bothering with Pham. The biggest hope is that the White Sox are able to deal him at the deadline, similar to the way the Mets were able to flip him to the Diamondbacks for a lottery ticket in 17-year-old infielder Jeremy Rodriguez. But that talk can be tabled until Pham answers a couple other questions, like what kind of tune-up is required and which form he’ll resemble if and when he gets to the majors in a White Sox uniform.

From there, there’s the question about whose roster spot he’d be taking. That conversation is a fluid one, as most Robbie Grossmen will tell you. It wasn’t that long ago that Grossman joined the White Sox on a minor-league contract, then looked blocked when Pillar rejoined the White Sox on a smaller guaranteed deal. Smash-cut to two weeks later, and Grossman is entrenched as the leadoff man while Pillar is batting cleanup against lefties. The latter shouldn’t be happening, mind you, but it is.

That said, it’s kinda fun to speculate whose spot is most jeopardized by this news, if only because the rate in which the 26-man roster is churning makes it very easy to be very wrong. Maybe Pham needs weeks of preparation and never actually plays for the White Sox, or maybe he’s batting fourth for Pedro Grifol by Friday. There’s literally no way to tell.

But that won’t stop us from trying. Here are five players whose presences Pham can disrupt, in ascending order of spiciness.

No. 5: Kevin Pillar

Pillar is the most obvious candidate as a right-handed platoon bat who is as useful as he is dispensable. The White Sox are his ninth team over the last six years for a reason.

Pillar has already been worked over by Chris Getz once this season, re-signing with the White Sox for $1 million after his original minor-league deal guaranteed him $3 million. Now we turn our attention to Pillar’s service time. He needs 82 more days in the majors to reach 10 years of service time, which would be the first week of July. Let the countdown begin.

Pham shouldn’t play center field, whereas Pillar can be trusted out there, so that’s the chief distinguishing feature in this particular battle.

No. 4: Robbie Grossman

Grossman has reached base 15 times in nine games for the White Sox, so there isn’t any reason to currently think that his spot is in jeopardy, but should the walks start to dry up, Grossman could be seen as the most redundant player, because he, too, is better against lefties than righties, and better in left field than in right.

That said, it’d be kinda fun if they shared the same clubhouse if only for the automatic icebreaker: “We just played in the GD World Series. How the hell did we end up here?”

No. 3: Dominic Fletcher

The hits are starting to fall for Fletcher, who’s hitting .250/.341/.333. He’s also the best everyday center field option as long as Robert’s out, and one of the few young(ish) guys on the roster who could feasibly be part of the next good White Sox team. It’d be pointless to trade somebody like Cristian Mena for him if Pham can so easily take his spot, but Fletcher isn’t so proven that he can afford to go into a multi-week slide, either.

No. 2: Andrew Vaughn

Vaughn’s hitting .185/.267/.222, but that hasn’t stopped him from being the only White Sox player who has appeared in all 15 games thus far. He tends to escape scrutiny because of all of the other bigger problems, but there’s a scenario where Sheets has staying power and Pham doesn’t have an outfield spot because Luis Robert Jr. returned from his hip injury in a timely fashion, and everybody is finally freed up to pay attention to what Vaughn is(n’t) doing.

No. 1: Andrew Benintendi

It’s easier to envision a scenario where Fletcher and Grossman are playing well enough, Jiménez resumes taking most of the plate appearances at DH, and Benintendi is the one losing the meritocracy battle. Although he’s hit the ball a little harder as of late, he’s still saddled with a slash line of .145/.203/.164, and his defense remains easy to exploit. Were he still not owed more than $60 million on a contract that runs through 2027, left field would be the first place to look for freeing up playing time. If Benintendi doesn’t turn it around in short order, the question is how long the financial obligation can justify the daily lineup decisions.

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South Side Hit Men

The ABCs of White Sox Baseball.

Anyone But Colas

#FreeOscarColas

Patrick Nolan

Agreed. Let’s release him.

upnorthsox

That’s the same Oscar Colas with a .654 ops in AAA, right?

#KeepOscarColas

hitlesswonder

Yeah – I would not bring up Colas.

zerobs

Total agreement with this column. Vaughn should be in Charlotte and Benintendi should be in DFA limbo thanking his lucky stars that he shared the planet with Williams/Hahn.

bobsquad

The cynic in me could fathom Jerry DFA’ing Benintendi with $62MM remaining to create the “market conditions” he likes to complain about.

Drdoctor

I don’t think I hate this? Which is weird. I hate a lot of things.
I’d be more inclined to see the AA and AAA guys up once they do *something* at those levels, and ain’t seen nothing from Colas yet. Once he hits, clear the runway and let him fly.

In the meantime, throw a couple bucks at these guys and see if you can get exactly what Jim said, low-level July lottery ticket.

zerobs

To expand on Benintendi, this year is a lost cause so they can play him since the entire 2024 payroll is sunk costs anyway. But I can’t see any reason for him to be on the roster beyond this season. So they could just eat the money now. Same goes for Grifool.

South Side Hit Men

If Jerry wouldn’t eat Grifol’s $2M-$4M remaining deal after last season, he certainly isn’t going to eat the $60M ish left on Benintendi’s deal. Plus Jerry can die before 2027 and some other sucker is going to have to pay it.

Some people previously brought up Leury, but he wasn’t physically able to perform when he was released. Benintendi is physically able, he just isn’t a MLB starter. Still need to play him regularly and hope he turns it around so he can be flipped and perhaps save the Sox even a small portion of his deal another team might be willing to take on (a few million/year).

In terms of Colas from other posters, he was brought up and like Popeye last year sat on the bench for the worthless parade of “veterans”. Any player on the active roster under 28 should be playing regularly, and everyone in their 30s should be viewed as expendable.

Also have to laugh at all the BS about “clubhouse culture” pimped by CSN Chicago the past year plus after this latest move. At least Pham is a less despicable human being for assaulting teammates than Clevinger for “allegedly” beating the mother of his infant, the same child he “allegedly” spit tobacco at his face. I guess Pham is also better than Chuck Garfien’s chubby for Yasiel Puig this offseason.

Clevinger Walk Up Music – It’s getting better all the time

I used to be mean to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved.

I know it’s mean, but I’m changing my scene, and I’m doing the best that I can…..

As Cirensica

If Jerry wouldn’t eat Grifol’s $2M-$4M remaining deal after last season

There is no way we are paying Grifol THAT much. Is Hahn that much of an idiot? Entry level managers rarely get paid more than 1 million, right? Until not long ago, Craig Counsell was making 1.5 million. There is not fucking way the White Sox are paying 2 million per year to Grifol.

South Side Hit Men

We are on the same page.

It’s a three year deal, so $1M X 2 remaining years = $2M was the basis of my $2M – $4M guesstimate of the remaining contract after 2023.

gibby32

I heard from someone who should know that Grifol is around 1M. On the other hand, he could be lying.

StockroomSnail

I hear it’s in Comiskey Cash.

HallofFrank

It’d be silly to DFA Benintendi. He put up several seasons of average-to-above-average performance before joining the White Sox (e.g., 120 OPS+ in 2022). If he truly did just fall off a cliff at age 28, I’m not sure it would quite be unprecedented, but it would be close.

Think of it like this: if another 29-year-old had his track record but was having a monstrous year, the Sox would jump all over the chance to add him and see if he could recapture his old form. If the Sox were trying to win this season, maybe it’d be another matter. But he’s the best shot this organization has at an average-to-above-average LF in 2025-2027, so they should at least see how 2024 goes.

hitlesswonder

Yeah – benintendi is in some sense their best advanced outfield prospect…in a lost season he should just be given at bats

HallofFrank

Yeah, that’s a good way to think of it — e.g., the chance he’s a 2+ win LF in 2026 are much better than the chance Zach DeLoach is.

Though, I don’t think they need just to give him at bats, either. Unlike a prospect, you’re not worried about development. In fact, taking more time off — perhaps spending more time thinking about the swing or just taking a week off — may be best for him. He’s clearly just off. I don’t know what the fix is or even if there is a fix. But some reduction in playing time may be what’s best for the White Sox and Benintendi.

JazznFunk

Yes, all this talk of letting him go is fan frustration. Would like to see more talk of how to fix him. He is a big investment, and presumably that is the avenue the Sox are pursuing.

Charlie

My instinct is to defend my team because I’m a fan, but now I feel bad for all of my “dunk on the team for Benintendi’s deal being their biggest ever, not for paying a decent outfielder decent money” takes.

He hasn’t been decent.

HotdogLarry1

My only minor quibble here is the idea that Vaughn has escaped scrutiny. Beyond that, I don’t know how we move on from Benintendi, but we have to move on from Benintendi.

upnorthsox

As far as a roster spot, I would say it’s either Shewmake or Remillard that are most likely to go. As far as playing time, Benintendi has to be on the thinnest ice.

hitlesswonder

Yeah – they probably don’t need to keep both those guys up.

Also, sending Vaughn to AAA actually might be a legit move to open up at-bats for Pham…Sheets could play 1B and Pham or Grossman could DH until Eloy gets back.

Benintendi has so much money left on the deal and this season is worthless…I’d give him every chance to turn things around.

upnorthsox

At this point they just aren’t going to DFA Benintendi so there’s no point in even entertaining the idea, nor should they. That said, he’s already a sunk cost so making him the backup OF until he can prove otherwise should be a very real option.
50 ABs is a fair sample size for a vet hitter which Benintendi has now reached, from this point on his playing time should begin to match his production.
Vaughn is at the same point, and Maldonado is coming up fast.

runsoxrun

From what the Mets were saying last year, Pham holds people accountable which would be a new approach for the Sox.

LamarHoyt_oncrack

Holding people accountable will not make a roster full of players who are bad at baseball good at it.

FishSox

How about screaming at bad umps? Does that make them see the strike zone better? 🙂

asinwreck

If Getz made this move hoping Pham would punch Reinsdorf in the mouth, things in Bridgeport are worse than we realize.

Holland23

If Pham did that, it would ben money well spend.

FishSox

We’d have to make a Tommy Pham bobblehead for fan endearment day.

Jeffrey

Benintendi’s contract is a problem, but it’s a problem caused by the former regime, not Chris Getz. If I were him, I’d be looking to clean house, and I’d start with the biggest dust bunny under the bed, because it’s hard to see Andrew Benetendi playing left field for the next winning White Sox team. He’s a sunk cost, and the marginal cost of replacing him in the short term is whatever Tommy Pham gets paid in 2024 if he’s on the 26 man, and a pre-arb contract for a young outfielder starting in 2025. Do it, Chris.

HallofFrank

Is it really that hard to imagine Benintendi being a useful LF in, say, 2026? ZiPS projects him to be a 1 win player then (and only has 14 guys 2 wins or better in LF). With his track record and age, it’s not crazy to think he could bounce back to something useful.

Anyway, if you had to bet money on any single player in the entire system to put up a ~2 win season in LF in 2026, the smart money is probably on Benintendi.

Jeffrey

Benintendi in 2021 — OPS+ of 106 in 134 games. Not really what you want from a left fielder. But in the first half of 2022, he was good for an OPS+ of 125. That’s more like it! Second half — 111. Not as good, but it was only 39 games — He hurt his wrist. OK, let’s sign him to a five year deal, because we think that first half is who he really is. 2023 first half — OPS+ of 98. Well, his wrist is still holding him back. Second half 2023 — OPS+ of 74. Hmm, shouldn’t that wrist be getting better? 2024 — OPS+ of 7 (not 70, not even 17) through 14 games. Maybe its just a slump.

I don’t care what ZiPS, or Pecota, or Nostradamus predicts for this guy two years from now. He’s been on a steady decline since mid-2022, and now the wheels seem to have fallen of. He’s going to turn 30 in July, performance enhancing drugs are no longer easily available (right?), and the eye test tells me he’s cooked. I would rather bet on the field of Oscar Colas (assuming Fletcher can stick in RF), Zach DeLoach, Samuel Zavala, and Wilfred Veras to put up a 2 win season in LF in 2026 over Benintendi. Not sure that any of them will; pretty sure he won’t.

runsoxrun

He’s a 30-year-old corner outfielder with no power and bad defense.

StockroomSnail

Wheel of bad, turn turn turn
Tell us which option we will burn?

StockroomSnail

Hmm, do Pham and Clevinger become best friends or re-enact the knife fight from Beat It?

Steve

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Dirt

I love when gang fights breakout into dance-offs

knoxfire30

Vaughns rope is gone. He can either turn it on or he is becoming a non tender option fast. And no one has been a bigger supporter of his or made more excuses for him then me. He was brutally mishandled by the organization but that was years ago, its time for him to sink or swim.

Fletcher best not be missing out on starts for any of the over the hill options, he is settling in at the plate a bit, offers some athletic ability in all phases of the game. If their is any hope to contend in the next few years he would likely need to be apart of that team.

katiesphil

Ditto. I don’t think I ever had dibs, but I had high hopes for Vaughn turning into a Mark Grace type which are now turning into dust. Maybe a change in scenery or coaching can get him into decent MLB-shape, but one way or the other, it’s now or never.

And double-ditto with Fletcher, who actually seems to be adjusting into an asset.

upnorthsox

Maybe Vaughn needs to take up smoking and closing the bars. Nothing like a hangover to get you right with a fastball.

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Dirt

Has anyone approached Vaughn with a slumpbuster? Worked for Grace.

And here here for more Fletcher and Lee. If this team is going to be good in a couple years, those two need to be a part of it. Play their asses!

upnorthsox

Vaughn just got married so he’s on a slump starter.

mrridgman

Bravo!

Dirt

*chefs kiss*

FishSox

Someone smarter than me at hitting needs to tell me if a retrained Vaughn, sans big leg kick, might turn into the hitter he was supposed to be?

hitlesswonder

He was a fantastic college hitter that actually hit well in 2022. I don’t know if he’s lost something physically since then, but I bet the Dodgers could turn him into a useful player

JazznFunk

Although he’s hit the ball a little harder as of late, he’s still saddled with a slash line of .145/.203/.164

Regarding Benintendi, has there any analysis of what exactly is going on? Why such a drop after joining the Sox (other than just joining the Sox)? Recovering from injury was considered a possible partial excuse last season.

As Cirensica

A preamble:

1) The White Sox are generally bad at “reading the room”. It is as if they live in a parallel universe.

2) They also tend to react late which prompt them to zag when everybody else is already zigging.

3) They are stubborn with their mistakes. They make a mistake, and they stick with it thinking the mistake will miraculously solve itself.

It is April 15, and Tommy Pham is still unemployed. Read the room. Oh yeah, they are terrible at reading the room. That Clevinger dude is another example.

Here is a potentially reactive measure that could hurt more than help. For example, releasing Pillar to open up a roster spot for Tommy Pham and go back to the disastrous 2023 formula: terrible fielders and runners that maybe can hit something. We will have Grossman, Eloy, Sheets, and Pham. None should be allowed to wear a glove. None can run. It is just mediocre DHs occupying 4 or 5 roster spots all over again. That worked out wonderfully last year. So, can we not?

The Andrews experiment is souring and the stench is bad. But this is the White Sox. They don’t recognize a mistake. Andrew Benintendi at least has a career of modicum success. Andrew Vaughn cannot say the same. He has been a disappointment from day 1. Jim Margalus mentioned that this is a long season, and players can get out of a slow start in due time. So Vaughn can get out of the funk to became what? The 0.5 fWAR 1B player we are all accustomed? While Sheets is hitting well, Vaughn should be the fall guy here, but I have a feeling it will be Pillar who is a guy that can help this team more than Pham can.

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yinkadoubledare

I can understand how Pham was available. He’s a putz and isn’t necessarily reliable production especially at his age so a team that thinks it will be good wouldn’t want to make him Plan A for anything, even a Plan A bench bat. Bad teams would probably rather play younger guys if they have them, and again, he’s a putz.

The Sox have no problem signing a putz, Clevinger is a worse person. And if he takes at bats from Benintendi and not someone at least potentially useful down the road like Fletcher, I don’t hate this. It’s not like they have outfielders beating down the doors, Colas has to show it for an extended period in AAA (and probably Grifol being fired) before he gets another chance. If Pham works, he’s tradeable. If he doesn’t, they can just DFA him since he won’t cost much.

PauliePaulie

Wasn’t aware of the “strip club lawsuit”.
Another HOF individual joining the org?

Last edited 1 month ago by PauliePaulie
Alfornia Jones

Little Getzy finished his home economics project and turned it in early in January with the teacher asking him are you SURE you’re done? Then little Getzy saw the rest of the kids turning their project in at the end of March, and he was really puzzled. Turns out the assignment was a complicated science project, not the collage/mobile hanger monstrosity he made.

Getz has been in a panic since late March because he realized this is not an anonymously bad team that can win the 55-65 games necessary to be ordinary bad. No, this is when he realized this is an historically bad abomination that could be remembered for all times.

The heat and eyes are on him now with the chairman probably telling him he doesn’t need scrutiny like this when he’s begging for a new stadium deal: get me off the radar. The White Sox are Getz’ new fantasy football team now, he’ll probably make a claim weekly to find that winning combo of 2 wins per week. This is the worst thing I’ve ever seen in professional sports.

South Side Hit Men

I remember building a volcano from baking dough, and then mixing baking soda with soda. Same as 2024 Chicago White Sox roster construction vibes.

I also used the last of one cleaning agent with a new bottle of different and inadvertently created a similar substance to Zyklon B. Also 2024 Chicago White Sox roster construction vibes.

vanillablue

Expectations for the 2024 White Sox:
80th percentile: funbad
50th percentile: ordinary tanking bad
20th percentile: Oakland A’s bad
1st percentile: can’t even build a bad team bad, aka the Chris Getz zone

Holland23

Phamtastic

Warren Z

The Pham signing should be used as a warning to Benintendi: Start playing like something resembling a capable MLB outfielder or your playing time gets greatly reduced.

If a guy is dogging it in the field and is clueless at the plate, then he shouldn’t be playing a meaningful role on the team. If this means eventually benching the highest-paid player in team history, then so be it.

Same goes for Vaughn. If he’s going to hit under .200, then he should have a reduced role, too. Give Sheets the at-bats as the starting first baseman, if Sheets continues to have good at-bats.

The other veterans who also aren’t performing should be put on notice as well. If Dejong, Pillar, Lopez and others keep making stupid mistakes, then they shouldn’t be playing.

More than anything, this team needs a managerial change. Grifol must go. Somehow, practically every player on the roster, except for Robert, Clevinger and briefly Crochet, has played about the worst he has ever played in his career under this manager’s watch. This cannot be a coincidence.

Let Ozzie manage the team for the rest of this season.

Dr. Charles Nichols

The Pham signing should be used as a warning to Benintendi: Start playing like something resembling a capable MLB outfielder or your playing time gets greatly reduced.

Would that warning make any difference? His money is guaranteed and I can’t imagine he’s looking around and saying to himself, “If I don’t get better, someone might think I’m a piece of shit while swiming in this punchbowl full of turds.”

I am a believer in “culture” but losing – specifically this particular flavor of consistent and teeth gnashing losing – will annihilate any chance at getting that rocketship off the launchpad.

MattyV415

There’s a lot of “get rid of this guy” energy in places they don’t have clear replacements. Getz paid lip service to depth, but is there really any?

Let Ozzie manage the team for the rest of this season.

I also think people have really forgotten how bad and toxic was at the end of his tenure here. Yes, they need a new manager, but maybe this dumpster fire would finally inspire them to look out of the White Sox-Royals bubble.

hitlesswonder

Ozzie tanked his own performance so he could leave for Miami.

The past is the past. If the Sox want to stay in house, go with Montoya or Maldonado. Both whom at least are not Sox lifers

As Cirensica

Ozzie tanked his own performance so he could leave for Miami.

And yet, Ozzie was 4 games under .500 in the year he “tanked”. Four games under .500 is something Grifol will never be able to sniff. Pedro does not need to tank on purpose.

Also, can we move on from the Ozzie that was almost 15 years ago? There was a dysfunctional organization back then. Sure, Ozzie acted wrong, but was he alone? There might be some shit we don’t know about. Only Ozzie’s was visible. Also, again, that was 15 years ago. Is not like Ozzie was involved in child abuse or domestic violence or drunk driving…oh wait… I’ll come back on that later

Ozzie is still here. He is still involved with the White Sox. The guy loves the White Sox.

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Joliet Orange Sox

Most of us love the White Sox and we shouldn’t be the Sox manager either.

What would be the harm in trying to hire a manager who might actually be taken seriously as a potential applicant to manage another major league team?

upnorthsox

I don’t think you’re going to find one May 1st.

Ok there may be a HoF manager around who could take the job.

As Cirensica

What would be the harm in trying to hire a manager who might actually be taken seriously as a potential applicant to manage another major league team?

I would love that to happen, and sign me in, but we operate under Jerry Reinsdorf twisted logic rather than Mark Walter’s modern baseball mind. Jerry can’t move on to newest modern pastures (Tony is still here, Getz was selected over…no process)…so if Jerry is only comfortable with his “circle”, then I rather we have Ozzie over Grifol.

MattyV415

“ Also, can we move on from the Ozzie that was almost 15 years ago?”

You might recall it was not exactly smooth for him in Miami either, and I don’t know what better to evaluate him on than his most recent managerial experiences. To paraphrase something Jim commented the other day, Ozzie just brings a different kind of mess. Hard pass.

asinwreck

If the Sox want to stay in house

If there’s anything the rot of the past four years has demonstrated, it is that the White Sox should look outside for everything – manager, talent evaluator, broadcasting & promotions execs, security, and ownership.

As Cirensica

Specially ownership.

hitlesswonder

I totally agree…I was suggesting the most outside insiders I could…under the assumption that an actual outsider can’t happen

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PauliePaulie

The day the “bring back Ozzie” & “have AJ manage” stuff dies will be a very good day.

Joliet Orange Sox

Hear! Hear!

Sox1955

When Eloy comes back, they should give up (for now) on Vaughn as an everyday player and platoon him with Sheets at 1B. Maybe he can get his confidence up by hitting primarily against LHP.

TomBradleysGlasses

I am really warming up to the Vaughn to AAA idea. He looks defeated before he gets in the batters box. Feast on AAA pitching, get his confidence back. See if he can do the Schwarber thing. Otherwise, as you say, grab some bench Vaughn.

itaita

Outside of Fletcher getting the boot for no reason its all deck chair shuffling. And that includes Vaughn who’s become so low impact on the game that its easy to forget he was supposed to be core like Robert, Moncada and Eloy.

vanillablue

I thought this quote from Pham was interesting:

“A lot of people don’t want to be told what’s bad about them,” Pham said. “But there are people out there who want the opposite, who want to be told what’s bad so they can use it to their advantage and improve and better themselves.”

That’s from this article, which was generally quite positive: https://theathletic.com/4840461/2023/09/07/diamondbacks-tommy-pham-mlb/

Seems to me like the Sox need a player who is willing to ruffle some feathers and demand accountability, especially since Grifol clearly can’t do it. So adding Pham could be a good thing, and if nothing else, will add entertainment value.

Right Size Wrong Shape

Telling people on this team what’s bad about them is more than a one man job. There aren’t enough hours in the day.

aseballnut

I don’t necessarily have an issue with the Pham signing. My preference would have been to allow Colas to develop in the majors since the manager and the former Player Development dude are in close proximity. Also, Pham would have made more sense on the 2022 and 2023 teams.

Hopefully in the upcoming off-season, the Sox will focus on signing players with more tangibles than intangibles.

ForsterFTOG

Kinda get the feeling that with accountability and criticism, it’s a one way street with Pham.

Steve

the question is how long the financial obligation can justify the daily lineup decisions.

Two words: James Shields

As Cirensica

James Shields was actually a little bit above replacement level. Benintendi is currently below replacement level, and getting under, but I think it is too early. He will recover a little bit. I have little faith on Vaughn recovering though.

gibby32

I’ll try not to say the same thing ad infinitum. But as to Pham, much like my reaction to everything else during 2024: I don’t care.

mrridgman

No, no, not good enough – you’ve got to stretch this message out several paragraphs, and call a few of the Sox owner/employees/players imbeciles to have any impact.

gibby32

Noted.

ForsterFTOG

Have the Sox ever signed a low cost free agent like Pham and flipped him for anything ever?

NDSox12

Does Keynan Middleton count?

As Cirensica

Remind me what we got for him again?

Right Size Wrong Shape

Tales of slumbering relievers.

NDSox12

A pitcher named Juan Carela who currently has a 9.64 ERA for Winston-Salem (I had to look this up, thus probably answering my own question).

MattyV415

This is a good point – one of the reasons they’ve failed to have good depth is that they haven’t been great at dumpster diving, minus a Brian Goodwin stretch here and there.

It seems doubtful that the return on such a deal with the guys we have would make any difference anyway.

Dr. Charles Nichols

They gave me a Tommy Pham and cheese sandwich when I ordered a Jake Burger.

Last edited 1 month ago by Dr. Charles Nichols
Pointerbabe

I wanted an Oscar Colas to go with that Jake Burger

FishSox

In a world where Grifol’s answer to TA’s struggle was to move him from 1 to 2 in the batting order, I can’t see where he’s got the chutzpah to bench Beni. The most I could see him doing is sitting him for a couple of days or platooning him, even if he continues his fade into irrelevance.

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knoxfire30

Nastrini tonight Cannon tomorrow here comes the youth movement right before Keller and clevinger get ready….

LamarHoyt_oncrack

The Sox new strategy, call up players and have them completely bypass AAA. This should work out well.

hitlesswonder

It’s not unheard of for actual prospects to spend little or no time in AAA. In particular, I’m not sure a pitcher needs to experience Charlotte.

Don’t get me wrong – Sox management is awful. I just don’t think this necessarily a bad move. I’ll be more upset when they get sent down for Keller and Clev.

LamarHoyt_oncrack

All Sox moves are neither bad nor good at this point, they are meaningless.

Steve

It’s been typical for a very long time, over 30 years at least, that top starting prospects skip AAA. McDowell, Buehrle, Quintana and Sale skipped it. Rodon was the exception. He started a couple games in AAA to mess with his service time to give him more time to work on his changeup.

Last edited 1 month ago by Steve
BenwithVen

Good for them. Even if they get sent down when Clevinger and/or Keller is ready, it’ll be good for them to work directly with Katz.