White Sox trade Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo López to Angels for Edgar Quero, Ky Bush

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While Lance Lynn made his start among a swirl of strangely specific trade rumors, the White Sox ended up dealing Lucas Giolito instead.

The White Sox sent Giolito and Reynaldo López to the Los Angeles Angels for catcher Edgar Quero and pitcher Ky Bush.

Giolito and López leave Chicago how they arrived, bundled in the same trade. The White Sox acquired them and Dane Dunning for Adam Eaton, and now they’re heading to Anaheim for prospects who ranked second and third in the Angels’ system.

Quero is a 20-year-old switch-hitting catcher who signed out of Cuba for $200,000 in 2021, and burst onto the scene by hitting .312/.435/.530 for Inland Empire in the California League. He skipped High-A and went straight to Double-A Rocket City, where he’s showing the same plate discipline, although the bat-to-ball numbers have taken a hit. He’s hitting .246/.386/.332 with 55 walks against 53 strikeouts over 70 games. That includes a July where he’s walked 11 times against three strikeouts, which might be a reflection of improvement, or the Southern League’s return to the standard baseball instead of the enhanced-grip variety.

Quero ranked 65th on MLB.com’s top 100 list, and 84th on Baseball America’s. The questions pertain to his ability to tap into home-run power and the finer points of catching, although there doesn’t seem to be anything physically limiting him from staying behind the plate.

Bush, selected in the second round of the 2021 draft, is a 6-foot-6-inch lefty who had a fine full season for Rocket City in 2022 (3.67 ERA, 101 strikeouts against 29 walks over 103 innings), but his 2023 was delayed until June due to oblique and groin issues, and he’s trying to find his equilibrium since returning to action (7.20 ERA, 33 hits, 15 walks, 42 strikeouts over 30 innings).

Here’s Rick Hahn’s initial assessment, if you care to hear it:

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BillyKochFanClub

MLB Pipeline has Quero w/ an ETA of 2025. A catcher with that ETA should be starting in RF for the White Sox by 2024.

Tweaky

And slide over to 2b in a pinch as well

StockroomSnail

“Basketball went position-less, we’ll be ahead of the curve in baseball!”

Matt

well the game sucked, and I still dont trust Hahn to have executed this trade correctly…but I dont mind the prospect value for Giolito/Lopez. More than I thought this franchise could pull…Wish the new guys luck, they will need it.

Matt

God Dammit…just shut up Rick…these dudes are totally going get Sox development messed up lol please find a way new players, break free of the stink here!

Augusto Barojas

I had hoped they could do better sending Gio to the Dodgers, but Quero sounds like decent value. I have no faith in their ability to develop him, but the only hope is that Hahn and others are gone in short order, and that players they get now might be worth something in time.

This team is closer to mlb worst than a contender. We can only hope that Hahn/Grifol are long gone sooner than later. The soonest this team might be interesting is probably 2026.

dongutteridge

I like the catcher.

Now, I wonder what they could get for Robert and Cease?

Last edited 9 months ago by dongutteridge
ForsterFTOG

I liked the SP they traded for Quero better.

Right Size Wrong Shape

Me too. I wish they would sign that guy to a big free agent contract in the offseason.

dwjm3

Not enough with Hahn as GM is the answer

Trooper Galactus

Hahn’s asking standard is at least two super-talented players who can’t stay healthy, a toolsy guy who can’t overcome a bad hit tool, and a cannon-armed reliever who promptly disappears from the face of the earth.

dwjm3

I’ll miss Giolito quite a bit. He had enough intelligence to give the media an answer that wasnt filled with cliches and other nonsense.

Last edited 9 months ago by dwjm3
White Sox Wade

I’m sure it’s just me overvaluing our players, but it seems odd that we had to throw in Lopez in this trade.

ShorewoodWhiteSoxFan

Jim M is totally right…. We need to move past Lopez. Lopez never could pitch in the clutch, although part of that was Grifol being an idiot and using him as the 9th inning closer for much of April.

White Sox Wade

I would be ok with Lopez for Bush. I think I’m spoiled by the previous rebuild trades, but I thought Giolito would get us a low end top 100 prospect. A young bat first catcher and a pitcher coming off an injury seems underwhelming.

Foulkelore

Quero is rated 65 on the MLB top 100

White Sox Wade

Thanks, I stand corrected. I actually feel much better about this now…seriously, not bad!

Wayne

Also 61st on Fangraphs and 84th on BA.

MattyV415

You were right, Giolito got us a low end top 100 prospect.

Joliet Orange Sox

We traded two months of Giolito paid at an arb rate instead of past trades when we traded other players with more time on their low-rate contracts.

Getting a prospect ranked between 50 and 100 for Giolito is not out of line with what one would expect from recent rental trades.

Last edited 9 months ago by Joliet Orange Sox
White Sox Wade

Yep, I agree. I was looking at LAA prospects in the top 100 not realizing they already moved Quero to the Sox list.

ShorewoodWhiteSoxFan

HAHN DESERVES a 3-Year Contract Extension for the Giolito-Lopez trade. That’s what he’s thinking, guys. You know it’s true.

White Sox Wade

Lol. Glad he’s thinking that, because I’m sure nobody else is!

dwjm3

Don’t underestimate Jerry

StockroomSnail

Hahn is an indentured servant that Jerry will only free when attendance hits 3 million again.

steelydan52

He’s probably already received the extension.

Tweaky

“He’s hitting .245/.385/.332 with 54 homers against 53 walks over 69 games.“

His HR rate is incredible! 😉
(Might want to double check that number)

StockroomSnail

More homers than walks is usually a complaint

Yolmer

I am sad. Gio was maybe my favorite player and always seemed like a good guy. At least on paper, this seems like a decent trade. It is probably better than what you expect for two pure rental players. How the Sox develop Quero and Bush is another story, but this move was necessary.

burning-phoneix

Gio was a good player. Don’t know about good guy tho.

PauliePaulie

I liked Gio and will miss him.
Solid return on paper. Sucks it’s the White Sox that will be developing them.

a-t

Man, I’mma miss Gio a lot. He’s smart and definitely not an asshole, and he was really fun to watch pitch at his peak. That changeup is one of my favorite pitches a Sox SP has had in a while.

Pretty good return tho. We needed a catching prospect, we’ve got one. Very patient switch-hitting Cuban catcher… well, I like the concept of that player quite a lot when the knees aren’t compromised.

vanillablue

So this is how the much heralded rebuild ends six years later. Nothing to show for it at all. Anyone who looks at this deal and thinks it’s a good one for the Sox is completely missing the forest for the trees. Sure, the farm system ranking will improve. How’d that work out last time?

a-t

Well, we made the playoffs twice, which was better than the previous decade’s incredibly pathetic results

vanillablue

Trading one of the best players in franchise history and tanking multiple seasons is supposed to yield more than two playoff appearances. Or so I’m told by fans of competent organizations.

dwjm3

Don’t worry the next Hahn rebuild will yield a playoff series win…baby steps grasshopper

MattyV415

Maybe Hahn’s sixth or seventh rebuild will produce a legitimate contender.

Al Kohallik

List of things to do for 2065 buy season tickets feeling confident

a-t

Unfortunately, we are not fans of a competent organization, so the best we can hope for is moderate incompetence instead of brutal incompetence

Joliet Orange Sox

I think there are very few organizations without some incompetence. Many other organizations cover some of their incompetence with signings at the high end of the free agent market. The last month of Hahn-bashing (much of it warranted) has let Jerry off the hook in my view.

ParisSox

Agreed! Jerry wouldn’t step up for Harper or Machado. Jerry wouldn’t let Hahn hire his managers. Of course Hahn is supposed to do the best within his shitty constraints and there he wasted a lot of money on bad roster construction. Blame all around.

a-t

I personally have always been much more of a Jerry hater than a Hahn hater. For at least a few years now, I’ve been seeing tidbits in fangraphs or such chats from insider types, typically not over friendly to the Sox, expressing their presumably better-informed view that Jerry has exerted an unreasonable amount of control, which (not unlike the Angels) is a real killer.

MattyV415

Hahn has always escaped his share of the blame through this kind of logic. Without any hard evidence that Jerry has been meddling, I don’t see any fairer way of evaluating Hahn’s performance than by looking at the product on the field and the process that got us there. Any other organization would have fired him several times over by now.

Augusto Barojas

I completely agree. Hahn is a tool, but if he was allowed to get Harper and Semien, like a good ownership would have allowed him to do, how badly would we all think of him? He is forced to operate like a cheapskate b/c his owner is one. To build a good young core is meaningless if you can’t add any true quality to it. Benintendi, Kelly, Harrison, Eaton, etc is not quality – and those choices are much more from cheapness than ineptitude. Any functioning adult would have signed Harper and/or Semien instead, if given a choice. Or hired somebody other than Tony. Jerry is the biggest evil and obstacle to success for this team, by far.

Oh well, my time following this disaster is about to take a long break. They are back to where they were 7-8 years ago.

MattyV415

Sure, it seems obvious that the TLR hire was Jerry’s doing. However, it also seems pretty widely accepted that Hahn was in control of the Grifol hire. How has that worked out? Looking at the player personnel side, there is absolutely evidence of severe ineptitude on Hahn’s part. He consistently fails to correctly read the market, specifically last season’s trade deadline or the recent offseason when he confidently promised a flurry of trade activity and did nothing. While other teams occasionally find some gems with their mid-tier and lower-tier free agent signings, the Sox fail in those areas time and time again, continually trying the same types of players (and often even the same ex-Sox) thanks to Hahn’s lack of creativity.

Jerry is bad and I wish he would sell, but even a replacement level GM would do better given the same constraints.

Last edited 9 months ago by MattyV415
Augusto Barojas

The Sox are a 25th ranked team that has deteriorated. They needed high quality players to fill in the holes, not hoping to consistently find gems with lower tier players. Semien and Harper are difference makers. The players that were available to Hahn were not. I despise Hahn as much as anyone and am in no way saying he has much merit. But Jerry hired him in the first place and hasn’t fired him. Given the choice of replacing Hahn with Click, or Jerry with the dude who owns the Padres, it is obvious that the latter is the better and enormously more impactful choice. I’d much rather see what Hahn could do while allowed to sign big ticket free agents, than Click if the biggest contract he is ever allowed to give to a free agent is bleeping Benintendi.

MattyV415

If you replaced Reinsdorf with Seidler and kept Hahn, you might see the world’s first $300 million bullpen.

Augusto Barojas

lol maybe. But Jerry has owned this team for 4 decades, and they’ve won a playoff series in one season during that time. He is the source of all problems, including why they don’t have a better GM than Hahn in the first place.

I just wish he’d sell the damn team. Why would anybody his age want to own a team, when it is obvious he doesn’t care at all anyway.

AZSoxfan

$300M in capital gains taxes

White Sox Wade

TB does way more with way less. Hahn is not a good GM.

Wayne

I also have seen some anonymous reports of Hahn wanting additional bullpen guys, who ended up being terrible. The whole org is dysfunctional and “responsibility” cannot be individualized.

  • JR is the decision maker from ownership, sets a budget, puts constraints on the contracts from overall dollars/years perspective, forces TLR hire
  • KW is still involved. Talk of him giving scouts/draft personnel direction.
  • Hahn has not found the right talent under restrictions he knew he would have. He also overvalues RPs.
  • Grifol is likely having some lineup and bullpen decisions given to him by the Front Office
  • The Training, Conditioning, and Medical staff seems to not function as we would expect.
dwjm3

I don’t know if anything will change at the end of the season, but as we sit here tonight Jerry seems to be content with a man who has failed at two rebuilds to attempt a third. I mean it is tough to find the words to describe the stupidity of that thought process.

Last edited 9 months ago by dwjm3
WestEddy

And then one day, we’ll all be dead, too. Thanks for the in-depth analysis.

burning-phoneix

It is a good deal, irrespective of the depressing context surrounding it.

ShorewoodWhiteSoxFan

DATELINE OCTOBER 2030 – 94-year-old Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf is drinking a can of O’Doul’s and savoring his second World Series title after his White Sox defeated the Colorado Rockies to win the 2030 crown. The series MVP was Ky Bush, the lefty flamethrower who notched 3 wins in the best of 7. “All the credit in the world goes to my genius general manager,” Reinsdorf told reporters in his first public interview since around 2005. “Rick Hahn is the best in the game. The best this game has ever seen.” Astonishingly, the Sox won the World Series despite playing without a 2B or RF.

Big_Fun

“Jerry, thank you, but I’ve told you a million times, my name is Click.”

“Right, Rick! That’s what I just said!”

“No, Click. James Click!”

“You crack me up Rick!”

Sigh.”

ParisSox

The same guy dealing for Gio and Lopez for one rebuild and then dealing them away for another rebuild. That’s some hellish poetry.

StockroomSnail

Time is a flat roast beef sandwich. Eat Arby’s

Last edited 9 months ago by StockroomSnail
FishSox

Another flat beefer heard from.

Foulkelore

He should have traded Lynn in the same package, to complete the circle of the Dane Dunning piece of the original trade.

Shingos Cheeseburgers

Thanks, Gio. You are far too smart and interesting to be a part of this franchise.

Welcome to hell, new guys. On the bright side if you play your cards it’s only five short years until you get traded to a contender in 2028.

Last edited 9 months ago by Shingos Cheeseburgers
To Err is Herrmann

For everyone wondering what Touki Toussaint would be capable of if only he got a shot at being part of the regular starting rotation, you are about to get your answer.

Wayne

And yet, he was used in relief last night.

StockroomSnail

Gio is the EXACT kind of player you’re supposed to reward…and it’s at a position of need.

Damn shame they “had” to trade him. Damn shame of an organization.

That said…. sign all Cubans. Far south side, baby.

mikeschach

A team that can’t field a competent 5th starter trades an in-his-prime #1-2 starter who expressed wanting to stay in Chicago, instead of extending him. Unreal. Will this organization ever regress to the mean in terms of competence?

White Sox Wade

Um…no.

Augusto Barojas

It’s not a matter of competence. It’s a matter of cheapness, and greed.

StockroomSnail

It can be two things!

knoxfire30

Quero with that walk rate feels like a little better version (especially defensively) then omar navarez ….

Definitely fits the 2025 timeline. That will be his age 22 season…. and full control…. thats a good get for Giolito. Bush is definitely more then just a throw in too, he definitely could figure into a rotation spot down the road.

Wayne

I mean Milwaukee seems to be the catcher defense whisperers.

upnorthsox

A true Rick Hahn trade.
Find a trade partner(Angels) as incompetent as himself. Check.
Is the player(s) in his copy of BP? Check.
Is the player(s) Cuban? Check.
Is the player(s) Injured or coming off injury? Check.
Was a relief pitcher involved in the deal? Check.

You have to grudgingly give Hahn credit, it’s hard fulfilling that unique checklist but he was able to do it. Now can do the same with Lynn? Too bad he let him and Kelly pitch last night.

soxygen

You forgot “tall, lanky left-handed pitcher.” Check!

Augusto Barojas

If Hahn is able to trade Lynn to a team that will pick up his contract, he deserves a nobel prize. Maybe a team like the Rays can do something with him, but I doubt Lynn does anything for anybody in 2023. If any team will pay him the 6M remaining on his salary, bon voyage.

steelydan52

Well, at least we now know where JR gets his cuban cigars from. I think that’s why he trades or signs some of these guys.
Also, maybe Giolito’s wife will pull the divorce papers she filed since he’s going back to the west coast.

upnorthsox

Hahn says “Quite Frankly, it was a mildly emotional conversation…”

Rick: “Lucas, you’ve been traded to the Angels”
Lucas: “Thank God!”
Rick: “We are going to miss you”
Lucas: “Go fuck yourself”
Rick: “So we can say you were emotional over the news?”
Lucas: “..and your boss!”

soxygen

I nominate this comment for the “best of Sox Machine 2023.”

For those who forgot, here is what Bob Nightengale, mouthpiece of the front office, said in early May:
“The White Sox don’t plan to keep starter Lucas Giolito after this season, and will make him available at the trade deadline if they are out of the race.”

As Cirensica

Went to bed a bit after the Cubs took the lead in last night’s game, so I missed this headline. Trading players like Giolito is the correct move at this point. Getting a catcher in the deal is also a move thinking in the future. I am gonna assume Quero will rank 2nd in the White Sox farm system only behind Colson Montgomery. I am unsure where bush will land in the list. He seems to be a prospect with tremendous potential.

I also wonder who is takin Giolito’s spot for the rest of the season.

Wayne

Well they decided to put Touki in the game in relief last night. SMH

Chip

So, now it goes. The same pieces the Sox acquired for the rebuild are being parceled away and sold off for what? Another rebuild? Another seven years of being mediocre? The only way this cycle stops is for Hahn and Williams to go away and for Jerry to sell the team to someone who gives a damn about winning. What did the loyal fans get from this? Another promise that these are the prospects that can lead them to championships? It’s BS and nothing is going to happen to change it.

Augusto Barojas

There is nothing left to do at this point but rebuild. They are closer to worst in mlb than a contender, and that was true prior to trading Gio.

This team is never going to win a championship under this ownership, bottom line. That was clear as day when they signed Harrison and Kelly instead of Semien.

phillyd

They did win a championship under this ownership though. I will almost agree with never again but the Orioles also have crappy ownership but they eventually figured out their FO mess and look like they could win a championship.

Augusto Barojas

Hahn and Grifol have to be MLB worst at their respective jobs. They need to start there, but I have to believe that Jerry is also the worst owner in the sport. That they won a championship under his regime is a miracle, and will never happen again.

I hope this wasn’t the last of their trades, and that they might get at least one more interesting prospect back somehow. They are a great bet to lose 95 now, at least.

DocGreedo

The Orioles have a crappy owner that fell into ill health in his later years and turned control over to his son(s) in 2019. Three years after giving Chris Davis $165m for 7 years (after retiring in 2021 they will still pay him $56m through 2037).

Though the solution we need is selling, not turning it over to the kids.

phillyd

The Angelos kids (and wife) are a piece of work too. They still have really crappy ownership. I guess my point is crappy ownership can be overcome with the right people in charge.

BenwithVen

Didn’t expect to wake up and read this bit of new.

I’m glad they got actual talent back instead of just bodies who can fill a roster, but Rick Hahn making these moves just sucks.

soxygen

How worried should we be that Quero hit 17 home runs last year and has only 3 this year? It’s nice in theory to have someone who ranks in the back half of the top 100…but we’ll see how much assessments of his talent change when rankings are updated.

I do like that he walks, but we’ve seen some guys who walk a lot struggle to turn that skill into value as they move up the ladder.

BenwithVen

I’m more concerned about his defense than the power. I’ll happily take like 10 HRs a year and a high OBP as long he can be competent behind the plate.

soxygen

The problem with high OBP catchers is that they are slow guys who get slower because they spend their careers squatting. For example, Fangraphs gives Queros a 30 grade present speed (well below average) and 20 grade future speed (the worst). We have a guy like that. When Yas walks, he usually either ends up clogging the bases or getting doubled off.

BenwithVen

ngl, if this guy turns out to be younger Yasmani Grandal, I’d be ecstatic.

soxygen

Yeah, but for that to happen, he needs to tap into the power. The obp on its own doesn’t do much for us if getting from first to second is a problem.

bobsquad

The guy penciled in to start at catcher next year has a .200 OBP. By 2025 we’ll have been suffocated enough that “walks, but slow” will feel like a breath of fresh air.

soxygen

It really doesn’t matter much if you’re out without ever getting to first or out before you get to second. But I hear you.

Look, I’m excited to have someone who is 20 years old and holding his own against AA pitching. I’m simply saying that OBP on its own isn’t a particularly useful superpower, though it pairs well with speed or power. We know Quero isn’t fast and will only get slower (unless he changes positions). We don’t know anything about the power other than that he hit 17 home runs last year and has 3 so far this year.

Last edited 9 months ago by soxygen
huisj

Hard to know what to think about the power difference. Big difference between the California League offensive environment and the Southern League, compounded even more by the tacky ball in the Southern League for the first three months.

FishSox

It could be the “grippy” ball they were using in AA that robbed his power temporarily.

steelydan52

Dear Grifol: Please enjoy the rest of this season because next season, if you’re still the manager, is going to be a shit ton worse. Load up on anti-depressants.

gibby32

In his press conferences, Hahn never says anything that is objectively unreasonable. The problem is that his history with respect to said press conferences makes me want to throw something at my computer while he is talking.