Tim Anderson, last of the White Sox’s big-time bargains
As long as Michael Conforto remains on the market as a proven solution to the White Sox woes in right field, we’ve still yet to learn if Rick Hahn is sticking to his definition of “spending the money.”
Here’s where he left it last winter after the White Sox added Liam Hendriks and not much else:
โThe hot takes on โthe money will be spentโ issue are perhaps among the poorest of White Sox Twitter, in my opinion, my biased opinion,โ Hahn said, โIโve seen that criticism mentioned a few different places, and itโs actually one of the very few that irritates me. Donโt get me wrong: criticism is part of this and to be expected. I just believe they should actually be grounded in fact, which โthe money hasnโt been spentโ really just isnโt. The fact is that since the time that I made that comment, weโve made a number of high-dollar commitments.
โThat includes guys at or towards the top of the free-agent market like Hendriks, Yas, and (Dallas) Keuchel, as well as long-term commitments to a number of our own core players like Yoรกn, Eloy, Luis Robert and (Aaron) Bummer. Basically, in terms of either annual salary or total guaranteed dollars, we have significantly surpassed both of those thresholds when talking about โthe money.โ Plus, no one has said weโre done in terms of potentially adding to this group should the right opportunity arise. And, all this is despite the fact that since the time I made that comment, a global pandemic has wreaked havoc on the revenues of just about every business sector of the economy worldwide. Like I said, criticisms not based in reality bug me.โ
This winter/spring has done nothing to change the conversation, because he chose to add three relievers (Kendall Graveman, Joe Kelly, picking up Craig Kimbrel’s option). Leury Garcรญa and Josh Harrison fail to move the needle on the position-player side.
In classic lawyer sense, Hahn wasn’t wrong. This year’s payroll is going to set a record by plenty. The problem is that the “long-term commitments” referenced by Hahn used to mean one thing, and now they mean another.
It’s not all bad — the White Sox figured out how to acquire more than four core players, which differentiates it from the first rebuild. They have an above-average number of players under contract, they’re all set to get paid increasing amounts, and they all deserve said amounts and then some. That much is fine.
But the cost of extensions also rose, because you can only sign so many deals considered no-brainers by the general public before it becomes a criticism of the players’ negotiation skills. Each subsequent player committed to an extension earlier in their careers, and for more money. They remained good deals, but they lacked the room for surplus value that guaranteed spending power elsewhere.
In the end, Hahn effectively promised White Sox fans a trip to Disneyland … Orthodontics. The phrasing and cadence worked for placating the rabble after coming up well short in major free-agent pursuits, as long as he understood that easier flossing wasn’t the reward they had in mind.
Tim Anderson is the last vestige of the possibilities extensions used to open. He would’ve been on the cusp of free agency right now had he not signed a six-year, $25 million extension before the 2017 season. The deal included a pair of options to cover his first two years of free agency, starting with a $12.5 million decision after the 2022 season that’s a virtual lock regardless of what happens between now and November.
The ink dried just five years ago, but the context shifted considerably since then. While it looks like robbery on the White Sox’s part now, his contract seemed to incur some real-time risk. His deal represented the biggest extension ever awarded to a player with less than one full year of service time, beating Chris Archer’s six years and $20 million from the Tampa Bay Rays. Anderson’s severe strikeout-to-walk gap during an otherwise impressive rookie year made regression a real threat, and sure enough, he failed to clear a .700 OPS in either of the next two seasons.
With playable defense and above-average speed, Anderson had enough to the rest of his game to make a lesser-percentile outcome tolerable. Unless everything cratered, he’d be an average up-the-middle player paid accordingly. But Anderson’s success over the last three seasons — .322/.349/.495, a batting title, a top-10 MVP finish, a Silver Slugger, an All-Star appearance — shows why those sorts of deals became reflexively desirable for teams, and why the cost of securing the first year or two of free agency has only risen since.
Here’s how much the next three position-player extensions cost the Sox:
Player | Arb 1 | Arb 2 | Arb 3 | FA1 | FA2 | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Anderson | $4M | $7.25M | $9.25M | $12.5M | $14M | $47M |
Jimรฉnez | $6.5M | $9.5M | $13M | $16.5M | $18.5M | $64M |
Robert | $9.5 | $12.5M | $15M | $20M | $20M | $77M |
Moncada | $6M | $13M | $17M | $24M | $25M | $85M |
And if it it feels like I’ve already written this post, you’re not entirely wrong. I’m good for one of these every two years …
- February 2018: This White Sox rebuild can’t hinge on extensions
- January 2020: Extensions take different shape in this White Sox rebuild
… which means this installment is right on time.
Beyond pure bienniality and the recurring themes of our ongoing 16-year conversation, there are a couple of reasons to revisit the topic. The White Sox are revisiting Anderson’s past with a five-part documentary, with the first installment going live this morning.
Meanwhile, an unprecedented class of shortstop talent just finished finding new homes around baseball, all of whom are earning well more than Anderson over the next two years, which would’ve been his first two years of free agency.
Player | FA1 | FA2 |
---|---|---|
Tim Anderson | $12.5M | $14M |
Javier Baez | $20M | $22M |
Trevor Story | $23.3M* | $23.3M* |
Marcus Semien | $25M | $26M |
Corey Seager | $32.5M | $35M |
Carlos Correa | $35.1M | $35.1M |
This is the level of savings that these early-career contract extensions used to ensure. When the Cubs acquired Josรฉ Quintana from the White Sox, Theo Epstein talked about how Quintana’s salary allowed them to consider him a player and a half, because the salary he deserved but didn’t capture could be redirected to another player. It ended up being Yu Darvish, and while the Cubs couldn’t get enough individual elements aligned for a major payoff, Epstein’s description remained apt.
Anderson has that same player-and-a-half thing going for the next couple years, and he’s one of the few players who represents savings that can be redirected in a meaningful way. Except the way Hahn describes it, that money was merely directed toward players who were already on the payroll, rather than solving the last remaining gaps in exciting ways. The extension Robert signed was described as “superstar insurance,”, and the Sox have to go about the boring business of paying the premium.
That wouldn’t be an issue, except the White Sox roster is still in a weird spot where all of the impact players required considerable acquisition cost, whether in terms of dollars, players, or draft position.
International circumstances no longer allowed/impossible to duplicate: Luis Robert, Josรฉ Abreu
Trading valuable, established big-leaguers: Yoรกn Moncada, Lucas Giolito, Eloy Jimรฉnez, Dylan Cease, Michael Kopech, Lance Lynn, Reynaldo Lรณpez
Market-rate free agency: Yasmani Grandal, Dallas Keuchel, Liam Hendriks, Kendall Graveman, Joe Kelly
Excessive amounts of losing: Andrew Vaughn, Craig Kimbrel.
Granted, it may not look this tilted next year. You have Garrett Crochet and Jake Burger from the middle third of the first round, and Aaron Bummer and Adam Engel were nice finds in the 19th-round. Bummer is the only one who’s established himself as more than fungible, but Engel’s shown promise, and Gavin Sheets leads a group of emerging prospects from humble origins.
Still, after Robert joined Jimรฉnez in signing record extensions before their first MLB games, I’d noticed that the Sox had no peers at their level of commitment to pre-MLB players. Two years later, they still don’t.
Why haven’t any of the other 29 teams followed Hahn’s lead? Perhaps it’s because Hahn truly has an uncommon touch with long-term extensions, or Abreu’s presence inspires teammates more than can be quantified.
However, if the cost of long-term extensions mean that they no longer generate new opportunities by savings alone, then perhaps teams don’t see enough value in the cost certainty to lock in those salaries that far in advance. In this scenario, teams are either content to trade those players before their sixth or seventh year arrives, or they’ll strike a nine-figure extension to eliminate the free-agent conversation for longer.
There’s also the chance that this snapshot is merely an unflattering frozen frame in a rosier big picture. Maybe Vaughn is indeed a decent corner outfield option after his offense matures. Maybe Sheets and Burger take next steps, or Yoelqui Cรฉspedes and Oscar Colรกs spring surprises on the prospect listmakers, giving the Sox those needed contributors from less losing-specific origins. Add in another winning season with the inefficient contracts of Keuchel and Kimbrel coming off the books, and this year represents a spending lull between significant pushes. The White Sox had never made the postseason in consecutive seasons before now, and they’re setting out to string together division titles for the first time in franchise history, so it’s hard to say. They have it within them to be a force, especially with a deep postseason run,
All we can say for the time being is that the White Sox’s creative accounting is getting less rewarding for fans, save a CPA or two who might be jazzed about Hendriks’ 10-year buyout, and they might’ve stiff-armed the truly expensive decisions for as long as they could. Anderson’s the last of the guys who truly did the White Sox’s year-to-year ledgers a favor, and he’ll be ready for his reward if it’s still there.
โI want to be here until Iโm done,โ Anderson told MLB.com during a recent interview. โI definitely think about that a lot. I feel like Iโm at a point now where I kind of outplayed the last deal, and thatโs OK.
โYou wonโt hear me complain. … I know the ultimate goal here. My loyalty lies here, and I feel like they are loyal to me as well. But at the end of the day, I understand the business.โ
They are spending money, but they’re allocating it so bizarrely. How do you spend so much money on relief pitching and utility players and not solve starting pitching and catching depth – not to mention an actual, major-league caliber, right-fielder? I guess Kimbrel for something might still happen, especially after some inevitable spring training injury… but they are so close to being a serious threat to win it all… just get it done!
The lack of a backup catcher is the most puzzling to me. It would seem to fit them MO of using free agency to fill the cheaper positions with short term deals. But … shrug emoji
Just imagine if in the next week they flip Kimbrel for a decent backup catcher (Dodgers?), trade some good young players for an Oakland starter, and sign Conforto to a short-term, high-value, opt-out laden contract
Yes, that’s the thing: the path from turning this into a good offseason is so simple.
I agree that they can save face by at least getting Conforto.
I like the idea of Kimbrel for Alejandro Kirk who has no future in the Bluejays org.
Kirkโs profile is nearly identical to Mercedesโ. Heโs a little less terrible as a catcher but he should be DHing a decent amount.
What? Kirk’s bat is far superior than Mercedes, he consistently murders the ball with one of the highest EV in the majors. He rarely strikeout.
Also, he is a lot better catcher than Yermin could ever be. Kirk is 23, and he will be a luxury as a backup, and not a disaster if (when) Yaz goes down into the IL. Collins or Seby will be a disaster.
Far superior bat? What are you talking about? Their minor league numbers are pretty similar (video game crazy good) and while Kirk had a higher average EV, his max EV was just 109, and Yerminโs was over 116. Kirk is 23 and is a Collins-level defender behind the plate, which is already impressive given that heโs listed at 5โ8โ/265. Neither Kirk nor Yermin have yet shown the ability to translate those crazy minor league numbers to anything beyond an average MLB line.
I don’t know why people expected to them to get one. All last season, every pitcher talked about how much they loved throwing to Collins and how the Sox got Jerry Narron to be his personal tutor. It was never happening.
Because we had the worst production at the backup catcher position of any team in the AL last year. We expect the front office to notice that and address that issue.
I don’t recall pitchers loving to throw to Collins either. Guys like Lynn and Keuchel seemed to be avoiding him. They acted like Seby was a revelation they were so desperate.
Rodon and Gio had nothing but praise for Collins, to the point where Collins was catching a vast majority of their starts.
I’m not saying we don’t an upgrade, we absolutely do, but nothing coming from the team signaled that they thought the same. And even if they did, they never seemed to make a priority.
Well, we have to take into account that Rodรณn is a glutton for punishment.
https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/status/1504942248873672715
We’ve got like 6 closers so why not 3 catchers?
I absolutely agree that Anderson has outplayed his contract, but I’m not sure that other top of the market SS’s is the right baseline. Hindsight being 20/20 we know he didn’t get hurt or regress, but the extension had to account for both the best-case scenario (which I think we can all agree we’re approaching) as well as the most-likely and worst case scenarios. Who are his peers from 2017 that are 1) out of baseball (worst case scenario); 2) playing for the league minimum (bottom quartile); or 3) playing out the string of their arbitration years while not providing surplus value (most likely?). The White Sox have been lucky in getting surplus value from each of their contract extensions, but there has to be a player regretting he didn’t sign one or a team regretting they had.
They’re not a baseline. They show how much room Anderson would have to strike a lesser deal and still come out considerably ahead of what he agreed to.
Scott Kingery is the biggest letdown among players who signed a sizable extension, but the Phillies aren’t feeling it. The risk is minimal because the salaries that actually make dents are the ones teams can decline.
Yeah, the amount guaranteed Anderson for five years is less than what they just guaranteed Kendall Graveman for three. Even in the worst-case scenario, these represent far less risk than free agents.
This is so lawyerly and can only be said by someone who doesn’t respect the intelligence of their customers. Yeah, we know Hendriks and Grandal got paid well for their positions. We also can see the gap between their contracts and what the overall top of the market is.
Sure, I can also see a world where it’s reasonable to say the right move was filling Rodon’s rotation spot with Kopech, then replacing Kopech’s spot in the bullpen by picking up Kimbrel’s option, adding Graveman and Kelly. It’s just that world also involved signing premier talents at 2B and RF which they didn’t do.
Rick’s comment about sustainability and giving internal options a chance looms large as an excuse. Because looking at the actual frontrunners, they don’t really hesitate to bump guys like Sheets and Vaughn in favor of adding major league talent so their prospects are available as depth. The Sox still seem to be afraid of having more good players than roster spots, leaving them in danger of the reverse yet again.
Am I remembering correctly that the “money will be spent” comment was on the heels of the Machado fiasco? If so, it’s all the more insulting, because the comment not so subtly insinuates that the Sox would find that top-of-the-market player. And now Hahn’s like, “but we signed Dallas Keuchel?”
Couldn’t tell you now. Ask me at the parade.
I know this won’t happen, but I’d be absolutely thrilled if the Sox turned Anderson’s want into reality: give the man a 10-year, $300m extension with four $12m team options for afterward. I love TA and I’d be thrilled if he was a White Sox for life. I can’t wait for the documentary.
Sign him for $350m until he’s 43?
Seems reasonable.
Uhhh, no? They’d sign him through his age 38 season, then the team could decide if they wanted to retain him after that.
Kevin Goldstein was hired by the Twins. Annoying!
Unfortunate for us, but good for him. He got a bad rap during the Astros fallout.
I think most people would be fine with the payroll if there weren’t such glaring holes. The last 3 years, Hahn’s answer for RF has been Eaton, Mazara, and Palka. None of which had a positive WAR. Harper would have been the perfect fit, but I’m just asking for an actual major league right fielder. Nope, Joe Kelly on the IL is more important.
Did something happen to Conforto during the lockout? His market has been basically non-existent since the lockout ended. Even trusted Boras guys like Heyman aren’t even bringing him up.
The only possibly pertinent thing I’ve seen is that Conforto was among the unvaccinated Mets keeping them below the threshold. But that also included McCann, so it’s not enough to define one as some sort of cancer.
Yeah, I can see the vax play a part for some teams (both NY teams, Toronto), but I don’t think explains it fully. It’s just odd because he’s a good player who seems to have been forgotten by just about everyone.
We really need to take advantage of this and sign him ….
It’s really hard to find any good fit for him anywhere but with the White Sox. It seems like a no-brainer.
Conforto isnโt signed because he isnโt vaxxed. Heโs also not that good. I really do not understand the fascination with signing him to a high AAV deal; yes, he would make the team better, by maybe a win, but he is really not the star that is being imagined here for whatever reason.
Also, thereโs plenty of room to criticize Hahn for lawyerspeak about signing the top of the market when that top of the market is a closer, but the Grandal deal deserves zero flak whatsoever. Heโs the best catcher in baseball; ZiPS projects him for a 4.9 WAR (!) season, 0.5 clear of second place (W. Smith) and 1.4 clear of third (Realmuto). That deal was simply a steal.
The fascination is that he hits righties, draws walks and plays defense, and he represents a more approachable tier where the White Sox could finally address right field. They passed on Harper, then they passed on Springer, who cost half of Harper. Now here comes Conforto, who looks like he’ll cost less than half of a Springer, while still being superior to any option the White Sox have tried out there since Adam Eaton the first time.
If Conforto didn’t have flaws, the White Sox couldn’t sign him. They were able to afford Grandal because he had a couple things going against him (age, pitch-blocking), but he still made so much sense that the White Sox would’ve been stupid to not pursue him. I kinda see Conforto the same way, especially if the commitment is a fraction of what Boras hoped it would be.
Yes. Conforto isnโt Bryce Harper, but heโs really good. He had an off year last year, but hovered around 4 fWAR/year from โ17-โ20. If he recovers that form, he likely improves the Sox by more than one win. But even more importantly, he makes the Sox lineup much better vs. RHPโwhichโll come in handy come playoff time.
The fascination with the high AAV deal in particular is that Sox fans know Jerry doesnโt want the long contract, and it allows the Sox to see what they have in Vaughn, Cespedes, and Colas and reevaluate after the season.
I was hoping that Boras would do the Sox a solid for nursing Rodon through last year and not extending him the QO, and steer Conforto our way.
You should not be looking at Conforto as like Grandal. You should be looking at Conforto as Dallas Keuchel.
Grandal was the best catcher available, is and has been one of the top 5 if not 3 at his position for years. Conforto has been pretty good, but not that level. Meanwhile, Conforto projects for just 2.4 fWAR, because his RF defense is pretty bad and trending down.
They screwed up big-time by not handing Harper a blank check. Similarly, they screwed up big-time by not handing Wheeler a (mostly) blank check. They then compounded that mistake by paying Dallas Keuchel about half of what Wheeler got, which we would all be killing them right now for if Dallas hadnโt gotten extremely homer and BABIP lucky in the short pandemic season.
One year guaranteed for Conforto, Iโm on board. Anything more, absolutely not.
How about we look at Conforto as like Conforto?
I don’t think you have to be “fascinated” with him to realize he would be much better than what we’ve seen in RF recently. We don’t need him to take our breath away, we just need him to get on base, hit some homers, and not be garbage in the field.
At least they stopped clamoring for Joey Gallo.
I agree with the concern with how theyโve allocated resources. But taking a step back, it may not be all that bad of a strategy. The playoffs showed the inability to rely on starters for much more than 3-4 innings or multiple times through the order. We had a pretty solid rotation set up and I donโt believe one of our starters qualified for a win during the Houston series. Sure would be nice to hand the ball over to 4-5 consistently nasty relievers to keep games competitive.
The RF thing is glaring, but Iโm basically fine with the Sheets/Vaughn platoon with Engel being in the mix. Vaughn was serviceable defensively and is a top 15 prospect who has shown the ability to be a very good MLB hitter. Sheets flashed potential and we can always use a LH bat. Both guys are ascending and look like legit players.
Looking at external options, I was hopeful for a guy like Castellanos but would prefer to stay away from Conforto. He had 3 solid years in 2017-19, but Iโm not sure he is demonstrably better than Vaughn/Sheets. Why block two prospects with a guy who barely outperformed them last season?
I realize this goes against a lot of what the followers of this site want, and maybe Iโm wrong. But weโve accumulated a lot of nice, young talent and would be nice to see them play.
Conforto is absolutely better than Vaughn/Sheets…He is projected at 2.5 f/war….I doubt Vaughn/Sheets even gets you 2 war
Heโs a good player but heโs 29 and may be in decline. In almost 500 ABs last year, he was 0.8 WAR. Not sure Iโm buying the 2.4 projection.
Fangraphs projects Vaughn as 1.5 WAR and nearly the same WRc. Sheets projects as 1.2 WAR. Thatโs more than Conforto without Engel factored in.
A large portion of the projected WAR for Sheets and Vaughn is in left or at DH. They would still provide that with Conforto in right everyday. That’s substantial improvement.
Someone put it best in an earlier thread. Sheets/Vaughn/Engel are great as an option B for right field. But relying on them to fill 2 spots in the order (RF/DH) could really backfire badly with no other options available. Adding Conforto allows Vaughn and Sheets to help cover DH and then spell Eloy and Abreu. Good teams have lots of depth. That’s what the Conforto signing would give the Sox.
Engel isn’t healthy. It is possible he may contribute very little again. Conforto in a sense raises our floor. I have my doubts Sheets will produce a WAR that high with regular reps in right as his defense is going to subtract some serious value.
It’s time to move on from Engel. He can’t be counted on at all.
It really is a damn shame that he can’t seem to stay healthy now that he’s finally learned how to hit.
Be careful when looking at projections in aggregate. Yes, right now, Vaughn and Sheets will split time in RF (with Engel), but those projections are for 497 PAs for Vaughn and 441 PAs for Sheets (total of 937 PAs), vs. 588 PAs for Conforto. It is not appropriate to conclude the combination is better by adding the full projections together. If we scale to a comparable amount of PAs for the combination, that would be: 0.94 WAR for Vaughn in 312 PAs and 0.75 WAR for Sheets in 276 PAs, so 1.69 WAR combined if splitting one position over the same number of PAs vs. Conforto (assuming the projections are still accurate for RF).
The projection divided between Vaughn, Engel, and Sheets (with a handful of Adolfo and Leury innings) was 1.8 fWAR vs. 2.4 for Conforto. Could one of them have a better year than Conforto? Sure, it’s possible, but why would anybody want to gamble a World Series on it happening?
Wait, we’re saying 29 year old players are in decline now? Is this a GM’s burner?
A decent amount are.
So, basically, 95% of all free agents are gonna suck.
I said he was โMay be in declineโ. His stats from last season werenโt as good as the 2017-2019. Thought I was clear.
I know Iโm in the minority, but I would love to see Vaughn play a full season and see what he can do. The guy is 24 and can hit. Is he better than Conforto? I donโt know, only one way to find out.
And yes, Vaughn is cheap. If that makes me a GM in training, so be it.
Maybe, but I’d bet $$$ on a rebound from him sooner than I’d rest the team’s World Series hopes on the backs of a bunch of unproven players, two of whom are being forced out of their natural position.
One note: Conforto was also amazing in 2020. You may have been looking at overall WAR quickly for your cutoff of 2019 as solid, but his 2.1 fWAR in 2020 was in just 54 games of the shortened pandemic season, and would have been 6.3 fWAR over a full season (he slashed .322/.412/.515). From 2017-2020, he scales to 4.6 fWAR per 162 games. That’s why so many of us want him, hoping last year was the aberration (and had the positive of making him attainable for the White Sox).
He also was better in the second half last year than he was in the first half.
He’s also a competent fielder, which will allow Robert to shade towards left field.
Confortoโs UZR last year in RF was -5.1. He hasnโt been a net positive on defense since 2017.
Even if Conforto is bad, he’d basically be what the White Sox wanted Adam Eaton to be last year: a solid defender who’ll be good against RHP. That’s a good floorโand, unlike Eaton, he’s got a good shot to return to 4 WAR form.
He is not a solid defender! He is a below average to outright bad defender by every metric! This has been the case for years and heโs gotten notably worse the past two years. Where is everyone getting this idea that heโs a solid defender, just from reputation? He needs to not just rebound offensively, but also defensively to return to his career average form. Which, for the record, is 3.4 WAR/600 PA. Heโs only recorded 4WAR once per FG, in 2017, and has never done so per Baseball-Reference. Nobody else has signed him yet because heโs a good-not-great player whoโs showing signs of decline on both sides of the ball and refuses to get vaccinated.
His defense is probably being overstated by HoF here, but he’s definitely a better defensive option than Vaughn and Sheets.
True, I donโt know where I got the impression that he was good on defense. Thatโs my bad.
I do think the bat is worth adding, however, and heโs probably still a defensive upgrade.
Can we please all agree to stop discussing Sheets as part of the RF mix? I like the guy’s upside and am fine with him as Plan A for DH, but under no circumstances should we plan for him to get ANY innings in RF. He looks like he’s running through wet cement.
I also don’t see Sheets as a realistic option in RF but I think he’s have to move faster to looking like he was running through wet cement. I think he looks more like he is trudging through wet cement.
The postseason and regular season also showed an inability to hit RHP. They’re still short at least 1 and probably 2 quality LH hitters.
Addressing their pitching shouldn’t have been mutually exclusive with improving the lineup.
I don’t care what the Sox payroll is. A team cannot consider itself a WS contender with a huge hole in RF, no starting pitching depth and only 1 major league catcher.
I mean, while I understand your overall point, the Dodgers are running out Andrew Heaney and Tyler Anderson as their 4/5 starters this year. They’re going to be banking on stellar performances from Buehler/Urias/Kershaw and then just outscoring their opponents when anyone else starts.
The Dodgers also have 2 Top 75 SP prospects who will likely make their debuts prior to the All-Star Break, and Dustin May should be back in the 2nd half of the season. They also have Andre Jackson, who made it to the majors for a few relief appearances last year, but was very good at AA as a SP.
Who are these prospects? The only one I can find in the top 100 on any list is Bobby Miller and I highly doubt he’s making his debut this year. I guess Pepiot could make his debut this year but to say he struggled with AAA last year seems generous. The entire point is, their depth is riding on prospects hitting the ground running and a guy coming off of TJS who has thrown a grand total of 113 innings in the Bigs across 3 seasons. They have less depth than we do no matter how you spin it.
Maybe they are counting on Trevor Bauer returning? Tony Gonsolin has been pretty good when they’ve used him as a starter too. I’d say they have more options than the Sox.
The Dodgers have a pretty long history of having a great top-3 and filling in the back of their rotation with good upside arms of questionable durability, and they’ve made it work by just churning through them over the course of a season to keep everybody fresh. They’re good at operating like this; the White Sox are not.
Jeez man. The Sox literally just did this last season with how they managed Rodon, Kopech, and Lopez. I understand constructive criticism, but you seem to have an utter disdain for everything the Sox have done ever.
It worked last year, itโs true, but was made vastly easier by Cease breaking out and logging 165.2 pretty effective innings, which was certainly not a given this time last year. That meant they could juggle those three questionable pitchers for 1.5ish rotation spots, including hiccups/skipped starts/DHs as 0.5, instead of four questionable pitchers for 2.5 spots. They (or at least Katz) deserve credit for working with Cease to help him do that, but a merely more gradual improvement from him wouldโve put a lot more pressure on those other three. They donโt currently *need* a starter but a Tyler Anderson type would be a pretty good idea, and seems like the most likely move yet to make.
Uh, they REALLY lucked out with Lopez considering he was getting pasted in Charlotte before his callup. And it was nice to have that depth, but it was done out of necessity, not as part of the plan. Sure, it was good they had Kopech and Lopez to fall back on, but they were gonna ride Rodon as long as they were able to.
The difference with the Dodgers is that their plan from the outset is to rotate through guys at the back end of their rotation. They consistently sign MLB quality pitchers and stash them on the IL one after another, and they’re able to do it because they have the money and the wherewithal to do so. I also agree with the previous comment that they have more available prospect arms.
Hahn can kiss my ass. The entire “money will be spent” bullshit was supposed to be about bringing in talent from OUTSIDE of the organization to fill in around the core he’d built, not retain the core a few extra years because they half-assed it during their cheapest years. He also said there was no magical upper limit to spending and we’re still looking at a world where the Tigers paid Eduardo Rodriguez more than any White Sox free agent ever has been. The Rockies just guaranteed Ryan effing McMahon almost as much as the White Sox gave Grandal, FFS, and he’s a pretty average player.
Spot on. It doesn’t feel good to be lied to, and we all have. The best comment of the entire winter someone else said, and should be repeated lest we not forget: “How can you go from being in on Machado to this bullshit?”
Conforto, 2021:
vs RHP: .243/.348/.444, .272 BABIP, 119 wRC+
vs LHP: .205/.336/.246, .286 BABIP, 78 wRC+
Mystery FA outfielder, 2021:
vs RHP: .250/.356/.455, .281 BABIP, 125 wRC+
vs LHP: .136/.200/.136, .190 BABIP, -4 (!) wRC+
Conforto defense, 2021:
RF: -6.8 UZR/150
CF, LF: hasnโt played either since 2019. Was -15.5 UZR/150 in CF in โ19.
Mystery FA outfielder defense, 2021:
RF: -5.7 UZR/150
CF: -18.8 UZR/150
LF: +5.7 UZR/150, extreme SSS
Both lefty hitters, obviously. The only thing that Conforto offers isnโt that he doesnโt HAVE to be platooned like this mystery player, but he still SHOULD be. Why should the Sox sign Conforto over this mystery player, based on performance?
As an addendum: Mystery Outfielder has a career line of .222/.293/.395 (82 wRC+) against LHP, which while obviously not great indicates that last yearโs brutal platoon split isnโt super likely to reoccur.
Why are you solely focused on 2021 for these players? Overall track record matters, and Conforto’s 2018-20 track record was outstanding.
Who do you think Mystery Outfielder FA is?
I don’t have any idea. What were his 2018-20 stats and how old is he?
Oh my god, you’re seriously comparing Conforto to Brian Goodwin? Career 104 wRC+ vs. RHP Brian Goodwin? Peak season of 1.7 fWAR Brian Goodwin? Is this a joke?
When you conveniently select some stats and the time period here and there, you can compare Albert Pujols with Mark Kotsay and make a case.
Can we see 2017-2020, too?
And can we see Andrew Vaughn as well?
Because the mystery player has a career bWAR of 0.6 per 162 games and Conforto (who is 26 months younger) has a career bWAR of 3.4 per 162 games.
Why stop at Brian Goodwin. Eaton is still available. What about Encarnacion, maybe bring him out or retirement. Or trade for Mazara. What is Daniel Palka up to? I mean, what would lead anyone to believe Conforto is better than any of these options?
Well Keuchel off to a nice start. I know is only spring, but you would have hoped for better than 7 baserunners and 3 runs in 2 innings. It’s a good thing that they added a great starting pitcher with a proven track record like Velasquez in case Keuchel blows again. Their bullpen should get a lot of work early in the year with Kopech limited innings and then follow up with their 5th starter.