How the Nomar Mazara trade could be fine
As many know, I annually hand out grades to each individual move the White Sox make when the offseason wraps up. In anticipation of that post, the wheels start turning in my head as soon as the moves are made, but our understanding of the logic (or lack thereof) of each move the White Sox make can evolve over the course of the winter. Sometimes, (as in the case of Edwin Encarnacion) the reasoning is straightforward and I don’t need to spend many words explaining why I feel the way I do about the move. Other times, it feels like I could write a 400 page novel with my thoughts on a particular decision. The Nomar Mazara trade is one such move.
The majority (of which I’m a member) opinion of the acquisition of Mazara seems to be that the return (Steele Walker) the Sox gave up was appropriate, but that Mazara’s track record makes him an uninspired solution to fix the Sox’ biggest hole in the field. Although I have no immediate plans to waver from that stance, there are at least some plausible explanations that one could attach to the trade, which differentiates it from some of the obvious blunders of the past (Yonder Alonso, swapping Tyler Flowers for Dioner Navarro). I’d rather not use more than three times the typical amount of words for Mazara’s entry in offseason grades post to talk about the ways the deal might be fine, so let’s talk about that here.
We’ll start with this quote from Rick Hahn:
Hahn said they’re hopeful on Mazara’s upside and have a plan to unlock it but doesn’t want this addition to be viewed in a vacuum, before it’s seen how the entire offense will shake out. They think Mazara helps even if he just hits righties from the bottom third of the order
— James Fegan (@JRFegan) December 11, 2019
Mazara has a career .799 OPS against right-handed pitching and he posted his top mark of .844 in his most recent season. Hahn’s quote at least indicated that the organization has some tempered expectations about what they’re going to get out of Mazara, and the acquisition of Encarnacion will further decrease the offensive load that they’re expecting Mazara to carry. Still, none of the subsequent acquisitions directly affect Mazara’s role or improve his fit, and the move can still largely be taken for what it initially appeared to be. There’s three things that could potentially change that, and only the first of which will be knowable by the end of the winter.
No. 1: The White Sox acquire a platoon partner for Mazara that can hit lefties
When Mazara was acquired, he was penciled in for the time being as the starting right fielder with no obvious platoon partner, and that’s still his role. The Sox have a couple internal candidates in Leury Garcia and Adam Engel to platoon with him, but these aren’t particularly inspired choices. Neither guy has shown a penchant for hitting lefties over his career (Garcia: .683 OPS; Engel: .679 OPS), though both performed better against southpaws in 2019 (Garcia: .786 OPS; Engel .841 OPS). If the most recent season for either guy is a sign of things to come, that could solve the problem, and the Sox could get a season of average-ish production from right field on the cheap.
The more likely scenario is that both guys regress to closer to their career norms and help to shield Mazara from lefties (.633 career OPS-against) while providing better defense. While that’s a lot better than the value sinkhole the Sox had in right field last year, it’s still a problem that needs to be compensated for by star power (a thing the Sox have in short supply) elsewhere on the roster.
One way to mitigate this would be for the Sox to acquire a player to platoon with Mazara. The free agent market doesn’t seem like it has a great deal of solutions here, but a guy like Kevin Pillar (.766 career OPS vs LHP, .823 OPS vs. LHP in 2019, strong defender) might make some sense as someone who could approximate Engel’s comparatively strong 2019 with greater certainty and add depth to the outfield mix. The Sox could also pursue a solution in trade.
No. 2: The White Sox have a conviction that they can unlock Mazara’s potential
I won’t spend much time on this because the White Sox’ recent track record with importing external players leans closer to permanently ending careers than exceeding — or even meeting — expectations. However, Mazara’s a little different than the Adam LaRoches of the world in that he’s heading into his age-25 season and his recent track record shows some continued improvement against right-handed pitchers. Mazara’s logged 2,200 major league plate appearances and has shown little, so the smart money is on skepticism, but at least we can say that there’s more hope for a young-ish former top prospect finding another gear than there was for the Yonder Alonsos of the recent past.
No.3: The White Sox didn’t like this winter’s right field market, and have big plans to address the position next winter
If you are an optimist on Nomar Mazara, you’re probably pinning your hopes on #2, above. If you are an optimist on the White Sox, however, this is where the focus needs to be.
While we could discuss the merits of acquiring Josh Donaldson or Anthony Rendon and asking Yoan Moncada to go through another position change (spoiler alert: there was merit!), if we’re talking purely about right fielders, the two best options on the free agent market this winter were Marcell Ozuna and Nicholas Castellanos. Both guys project as above-average players, but both players are also flawed in that they’re poor defenders and (for those who care) bat from the right side. Either player would narrow the gap between the Sox and Minnesota or Cleveland compared to Mazara, but neither would flip the projected division hierarchy. Both players will likely require at least a 3-4 year commitment at a fairly high annual salary.
Now, think about two of the headliners of next offseason’s free agent class:
What if the Sox decided they didn’t want to tie down right field with a long commitment to any of this year’s free agents, and intend to take a big swing at one of these two players next winter? Most of the moves they’ve made thus far would be consistent with this strategy. Grandal is a star, and one they badly needed. After missing on the top pitchers, Keuchel was necessary regardless of the timing of the Sox’ strategy. Encarnacion and Gonzalez are one-year commitments. Finally, Mazara’s a weaker option than Ozuna or Castellanos but can simply be non-tendered next winter if he doesn’t show anything.
The Sox have a nonexistent history in playing at the top of the market, so I don’t want to get my hopes up here. However, if the 2020 White Sox have a reasonably good year and can post a win total at least in the mid-80s, they would suddenly have the differentiating factor in free agency that they’ve never really had in recent memory: a good young core that should be together for at least another three years that has proven it can win more games than it loses. The Sox would finally have a reason for a player to come to the South Side besides money. By next year, it’ll be clearer what Michael Kopech, Dylan Cease, Luis Robert, and Nick Madrigal really are, and hopefully that triggers the addition of the biggest and final piece of the puzzle. The odds that the Sox actually ink Betts are microscopic, but maybe, just maybe they could convince Springer to man right field in 2021. Maybe, just maybe Jerry Reinsdorf would let that happen.
If George Springer becomes the reason for Nomar Mazara, then the trade for Mazara is all-the-way justified. For the time being, I’m not going to let this affect my evaluation of the move; “it’s okay if they get someone way better next year” is hardly a ringing endorsement of a decision. However, if Springer (or if hell freezes over, Betts) signs a deal to play here next winter, we’ll be able to look back on the acquisition of Mazara in a different light as a one-year experiment during which several other young players were trying to get their feet wet.
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For 2020, the Sox find themselves in a familiar situation in that they have a skeleton of a contender and need plenty of things to break right to make the playoffs. With all of the young players and injury questions already on the team, Mazara appears to add more risk to a team that already has plenty of it. He’s not the proven solution we wanted, but if the Sox add another player to hedge the risk, if Mazara finally has his long-awaited breakout after a change of scenery, or if the Sox show us next winter why they didn’t pursue a larger commitment for right field, we’ll be able to be forgiving of this ostensibly aim-low move. For my money, the Sox should be taking 2020 more seriously than this and I’m still not a fan of the decision, but there’s hope for redemption here.
Can’t help but wonder how they let all start quality right fielder Avi, leave with nothing in return. He would at least have been a bridge to a super start RF until 2021; or he would have been able to claim elite level with a strong 2020. I think the Brewers recognized this.
That said, overall content with the way the Sox are moving ahead
They tried to trade him, but I don’t think anyone offered anything of value.
He was only like a 2 win player last year and would have been a FA this year anyway.
For point 2, it’s worth noting that Mazara allegedly made swing changes before the second half last season. Tough to read much into them because injuries limited his playing time. But maybe there’s something already there and the Sox aren’t starting from scratch.
I read he was looking off spread first.
Why would you just assume Engel and Garcia would decline in effectiveness against LHP? Neither player is in the downside of their career age wise, and both have shown dramatic progress in overall effectiveness since their first couple of years. It is far more likely that Garcia and Engel replicate their effectiveness against LHP from last year than that they revert to their career averages.
Adam Engel PA vs LHP in 2019: 89
Leury Garcia PA vs LHP in 2019: 193
Neither sample is big enough to declare the 2019 performance the new normal. Anything can happen, but the smart money is on their numbers vs. LHP in the future falling somewhere between the career average and what they did last year.
I’d agree Engel could be noise, but Garcia hasn’t had poor stats against LHP since 2016 when he was overall a pretty bad player. It seems much more likely that the 2017-2019 Leury Garcia is peak Leury Garcia, which would be average production in right field in a platoon with Mazara.
He was a 90 wRC+ in 2017. 2018 was highly BABIP driven. You might be right that he’s a different player now, but it’s hard to tell with so few PAs.
Given the overall off season haul its becoming easier to stomach Mazara as the primary RF’er.
Big if… the sox actually are waiting on next off season for that 1 huge free agent addition the idea of betts or springer fits very well. The sox are going to be able to allocate a lot of resources just from money coming off the books. And while long term they are starting to pile some money on their future payroll commitments, the initial commitments in 2021-22- even 23 still dont look that bad. Especially if the team ramps up spending to a league average level of 150 mil or so.
Just by Gio, Edwin, Nomar, Kelvim, alone walking or not having their options picked up the money exists to sign Betts.
Yes. I am usually of the mind to spread the money around a bit, but I’m on the Betts or broke train currently. If Madrigal can handle 2B like a major leaguer and the SP staff mostly figures itself out (both are entirely reasonable scenarios, I’d say), RF and bullpen are the only holes this team has in 2021 and beyond.Â
By my calculations, they have about $45m coming off the books. Could get over $50m after making some close calls (I.e. Rodon, Marshall?, Engel?), but they’ll have to pay some guys in arbitration. Either way, they should be able to sign Betts and modestly upgrade the bullpen while staying roughly league-average payroll wise.Â
I am ok with #1. I thought Leury was a true bright spot last year and could still be ascending because he finally got an everyday opportunity and did pretty well. Plus his defense and arm both play in RF.Â
I don’t believe in #3 unfortunately. I would love to see a guy like Springer sign, but my feeling is Rick is hoping/banking on an internal option (Rutherford? Basabe?) being ready sometime in 2021.Â
It should also be noted how little LH starting pitching there is in the AL Central heading into 2020. The top 5 starters for Cleveland and the Twins are RH. Rich Hill could change this if he returns in the second half for the Twins. Then there is Detroit with Matthew Boyd and Derek Norris and KC with Danny Duffy. That is pretty much it with the exception of a few young pitchers in the mix.
Good points, the heavy heavy side of the platoon is still gonna be a left hand batting player.
Not to mention it provides some $$ to spend on a reliever (Hudson??) and no loss of a draft pick. I may be in the minority here but solid picks in rounds 1, 2 and 3 would help to sustain this window. Seriously hoping that Vaughn, Dalquist and Thompson pan out. Or, at least two of them!!
What was stopping them from signing a better OF AND signing a good reliever (other than the fact that most of the relievers are now gone)?
Seriously.Â
It doesn’t really do anything to affect pnoles’ analysis, but to borrow from Fegan’s article today: possibly you’d see Engel in CF and Robert in RF against LHP. The production is no different, but maybe easier to stomach from a “what kind of production do I expect from this position” emotional perspective. Now you’ve got a star in right and a slappy CFer.
And then when Eloy inevitably collides with someone, we’re only losing one franchise cornerstone to the IL.
I hadn’t thought of this, but your last sentence actually seems mildly relevant here.
You probably wouldn’t describe Adam as a firebreak or acceptable loss to his face, but…
If the plan was to wait for a big name RF to hit the market, I still don’t understand why they just didn’t go for Harper last year. Rather than kick the can down the road even further, they could have jump started this whole process and entered 2020 as a true contender for the division.
The last 4 years…
Harper: 11.6 WAR
Betts: 33.8 WAR
And for what it’s worth…
Ozuna: 13.8 WAR
*Under the assumption that the money would be spent* I’m glad the Sox passed on Harper, even if it delays contention a year.Â
This continued idea that the Sox were somehow fortunate to miss out on Harper and Machado is baffling. And yes, I see your assumption there.
I don’t think that about Machado. They should have signed him. But Bryce is a good player getting paid like an elite one.
Would I love to have Harper on the Sox? Sure. Would I love it with some other reasonable assumptions (i.e. the Sox will have a ~league-average payroll and Bryce would take up about 20% of it) built in? Nah.Â
He’s making 27 mil and change per season. fWAR had him as a 4.5 win player last year and Steamer is projecting him for another ~4.5 wins this year. He was worth significantly more than what he was paid in what many considered a down year. And he’s 27. What would you expect him to make?
A down year? Setting aside 2015 (which looks more like an outlier every year), he’s only beat 4.6 fWAR once—in 2017 when he got 4.8 fWAR.Â
How much he *should* make is a difficult question. I’d love it if teams spent more than they did, in which case he might be worth $27m. It maybe simpler for me to put it like this: I do not think he is worth 20%+ of a team’s yearly payroll. On the Sox, he would be (a little more, actually).Â
I’m sure we can both agree, however, that the Sox should just get over it and spend $230m a year. In that case, I’d love for the Sox to pay Bryce $27m—and Manny $30m and Betts $40m.Â
$230 mil would be great. They don’t even need to spend that much to really be competitive, they’re nowhere close to that amount (and won’t be without several huge additions).
We shall see, but year 1 of Machado in SD was a disaster. I’m surprised how little traction this received, but according to the SD Star Tribs Kevin Acee, Padres officials were questioning Machado’s character. Specifically that once the Padres were out of it, Machado gave up on the season. Not good in year one of a 10/$300m deal.
Disaster seems a bit strong; he was a 3 win player. I honestly hadn’t heard any of that, but which “officials” were questioning him? Because if this is coming from anywhere near Fowler, haven’t we seen that movie before?
On a per game basis, Machado was about as valuable as James McCann based on fWAR. I call it a disaster for a few reasons. He couldn’t hit in his home park and if you look at his production, it completely drops off when the Padres drop below .500 on the season. Add in the fact team officials were questioning his character, I call it a disaster. To his credit, Machado appears to have handled this fairly well so far.
San Diego Union Tribune, Sep 29, 2019 by Kevin Acee. Not Star Tribune, derp.
the article
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2019-09-29/padres-manny-machado-disappointing-first-season-mlb
Your splicing an already small one season sample into even smaller samples.
And we’re really going to take the Padres’ word on this? They called Grandal a clubhouse liability, too.
You can believe what you want. Preller has been suspended by MLB at least once if not twice, so they could have several degenerates in the Padres FO.
Don’t forget they threw Shields and Kemp under the bus, too.
This was what I was referring to upthread. This is kind of Fowler’s move, no?
Oh how different we would all feel about Shields if they literally threw him under a bus.
Thanks for the advice, Joe Friday.
I am providing information. Nothing else. Machado was bad. He admits he was bad. Machado couldn’t hit in his home park. Machado’s production completely tanked after the Padres were below .500. Padres officials questioned his integrity. I am not making any claims about the next 9 years of the deal just reviewing season 1. You appear to be confused why fans would feel fortunate about missing out on signing Machado and I provided some context.
3 fWAR =/ “bad”
You see no problem with contracts that commit ~$30MM to a player for 10 or 13 years? Regardless of how well Manny or Bryce perform over the next decade, I can think of a good many reasons the Sox are “fortunate” not to have to operate under such deals.
Jerry, is that you?
Nearly all commentators on here wanted the FO to spend whatever it took to sign Machado and/or Harper without concern about budget or return on investment. Both were just ok to above average in the first year of their long contracts. If we sign either last year, we don’t sign Grandal, Keuchel or EE. I’d rather have those 3.  Throwing money at top market free agents doesn’t necessarily prove you’re smart or ready to win.Â
What does one have to do with the other? They’d be under 150 mil in 2020 payroll if they had Harper’s deal right now.
The reality of our ownership is they won’t play at the top of the market and restricts payroll commitments, as nearly any other team does.  If Machado took the Sox offer last year and he performed the same as he did for SD, we all would be questioning the decision at this point. We probably wouldn’t have signed Grandal or EE. May not have extended Eloy or Robert. The Sox resources are limited, so yeah all of these transactions are related.Â
Their resources are limited as with any business, but not to the extent they have portrayed it. They have plenty of resources to do what has been described above and then some. I guess I need to just stop replying to these comments where people are basically letting Jerry off the hook for lining his pockets, too many seem to have been brainwashed.
It’s not so much a question of letting JR “off the hook” as recognizing that building a team that wins consistently doesn’t  depend on throwing the most money at the top free agents of a given off-season. There are sound baseball reasons for the team’s declining to guarantee the 9th and 10th year of a deal to Machado. The fact that Yoan Macada played 3rd and had a more productive season than did Manny should end regret over Machado’s decision to sign with the Padres.
I obviously wanted them to sign Harper, but an argument could be made around the timing of the “arrival” of the talent, and it’s likely easier to lure a big star once you’ve already shown you’re gonna be good.
Their competition for top talent was a .500 Phillies team and a 70-win Padres team. Money talked.
@Patrick Nolan Say the Sox are plotting #3. In the surprising event that Mazara does breakout, how good would he have to be in 2020 to make the FO pivot to him as plan A in 2021? Well, rephrase that: how good for *you* to be pleased with him as plan A?
Clearly even a breakout is likely to fall well short of Betts/Springer territory, but if he really went bonkers and was good for something like 35 HR, .900 OPS, and 4.0 WAR, how would you advise the Sox FO to handle the that?
If he did that in 2020 or ended up projected for that in 2021? Because even if he puts up that line in 2020, you’re going to have to assume some serious regression in 2021.
I mean if he did that in 2020. Building in regression is part of the equation (although, on the flip-side, you might also need to account for more possible upside). It’s possible the answer is simply “nothing.” Mazara should be replaced with, say, Springer no matter what.
Yeah there’s really nothing he can do that should take those guys off the table. He should be fighting for the PAs that Encarnacion is likely going to vacate after the season.
Though it does frighten me that if he has a good year, we’re going to hear something along the lines of “why spend on Betts or Springer when we have Mazara who just put up an .850 OPS?”
Why would one have to “assume some serious regression”. Mazara isn’t a 30 yr. old player with a firmly established level of play. He has 4 years in the Majors because he was rushed to the Big Leagues at age 20. So if the Sox are correct and they’ve acquired a player who, at 25, realizes his “untapped potential” and becomes an elite right-fielder, they should still sign a free-agent right-fielder next off season because…..?
@HallofFrank If the 4.0 WAR season isn’t fueled by BABIP or some other non-repeatable factor I think you either 1) roll with Mazara and pursue a premium upgrade elsewhere depending on what needs arise (SP?) or 2) sign Springer anyway and shift Mazara to DH (assuming Encarnacion doesn’t deposit like 50 reasons to keep him into the bleachers).
Attractive fans? Speak plainly!
Yeah, I guess the Sox could always trade Vaughn and slot Mazara in at DH.Â
Either way, because of this article I’m now expecting the Sox to sign Betts. So, thanks for that.Â
How is going for Mazara under #3 a defensible position given the Kole Calhoun contract? Seems to me this deal grades out at a solid D regardless, though obviously if they saw something untapped in his offense (which, with the exception of McCann, hasn’t been the case in the Williams/Hahn era as far as I can remember) I’d look like a fool ascribing that grade.
I love the FA signings, don’t get me wrong, but obvious moves don’t offset the Mazara “solution” or, to a lesser extent, the Abreu 2x overpay.
I agree that it wasn’t a good move. This piece tries to find ways in which it’ll shake out OK, and the fact that it merited writing at all is evidence enough that the Sox stumbled a bit here (we don’t need a “How the Dallas Keuchel Signing Could Be Fine” piece).
I note that you didn’t actually ascribe a grade (though obviously your tenor indicates that you didn’t love the move) — my point was that even if they are keeping RF open for 2021, there were better short term options than Mazara. And it appears that you may agree.
Yup
How soon they forget Q!
Eaton, also.
It’s a pretty easy situation to handle. You only control Marzara for one more year so he in no way should impede the FO’s plans for Springer (if that’s what they have in mind). If Springer comes, you’ve got a lefty bat off the bench, a trade chip, or – in case of Edwin starting to show his age – a LH solution at DH that also allows you to get your righties some at bats on days a lefty is on the mound.
If Marzara continues hitting well then you can try to sign him as your long-term solution at DH.
At this point I fall into Camp #2. With our right-handed dominant line-up I think we can afford some weakness at one position against left-handers. I also think that having a change of environment will do him good. He’s going from where he hit in the middle of the order with an expectation for high-level production as one of their top prospects to probably hitting 8th in our line-up with little expectations.
I’m with you in Camp #2. Everything I’ve read from both Texas and Sox coaches suggest the problems with Mazara’s swing and the bad habits he falls into are readily identifiable and easily correctable. From what I can tell, Texas did a poor job of helping him make adjustments. For example, they kept him in the middle of the order while expecting him to incorporate a new approach: he’d tend to revert to what felt natural. By all accounts Mazara is very “coachable” and seems to have been slowed by an injury last season as much as by poor mechanics.Â
Not only mechanics the Rangers offered approach adjustments. I read he looked off spread first and the numbers support it.
That problem can be fixed from within, until the arrival of Cola. Outfield of Eloy, Robert and Cola.
Colas is another argument for option #3, in a way. Let that play out, in addition to any potential trade options that arise in-season.
Does Badler or anyone in the know have a good writeup on this guy? I haven’t seen anything of substance describing (in detail) what kind of player he is.
If you look into your crystal ball at 2023, do you still see Eloy in LF everyday?
I personally think he settles into a JDM kind of role, where he DHs most days and plays left a couple times a week. Especially after Vaughn ascends and Abreu’s contract is up.
It’s going to put the spotlight on the entire development system. Maybe?
Traded for a prospect, Nomar at just 24 could turn out like other rookie Rangers. Sammy Sosa on the nonPED end or Justin Smoak we’d hope.
We’ve read enough about his potential it’s time to shine.
Team building is as much about minimizing negative value as it is maximizing positive value. The Sox have a real chance to get > 95 wRC+ out of every spot on the field. That’s huge and a great team-building strategy when you’re playing 81 games at GRF.
Mazara doesn’t move the needle on his own, but he doesn’t have to. I don’t think Ozuna or Castellanos would have moved the needle much either.
I know people were hoping for Pederson or Marte (myself included), but we have no idea what the asking price for those players was/is. Mazara is an acceptable substitute if they are expecting him to be the 8th or 9th best hitter in the lineup and they are protecting him against lefties (seems like this is the case).
I find it interesting that the Rangers are trying very hard to replace Mazara with Castellanos. It’ll be interesting to see how that works out for both teams (assuming Texas can close).
They had 4 LH-hitting outfielders and don’t really have a DH. Castellanos over Mazara makes a lot of sense for them.
They have players listed as OFs that hit left handed, yes. I don’t think any sane GM wants to run Shin Soo Choo in the field on a regular basis and Calhoun isn’t exactly lighting it up defensively either. They also could try to convert him back to a third basemen for some god awful reason. Like I said, it should be interesting to watch unfold.
I preferred Puig as an option in right field because of his capable defense, good speed and the fact he’s able to hit lefties and righties. Also, he would not have cost us one of our best prospects. That said, trading for Mazara might have enabled us to have enough money in JR’s budget to get Gio Gonzalez or Encarnacion. So, we will have to see how it all works out.
If we fall a game or two short of the playoffs and Mazara only hits .250 with below-average defense and a .700 OPS, then we might be wondering what could have been had we gone after another right-field option.
There are a lot of rentals who could potentially be on the trade block this summer. If it’s really that close of a race and Mazara is really dragging them down, I’d expect them to upgrade through trade.
It’s not like they committed a bunch of money and years to the guy.
Puig’s defense does not rate any better than Mazara’s, FYI.  Â
He wouldn’t have cost us Steele Walker, that’s true.  But arguably Nomar’s upside is higher than Walker’s. Â
Puig’s upside is also probably higher’s though so *shrug emoji* and he projects to be worth a little more in 2020. Â
Nationals get Hudson on a two year deal
Thank goodness. I had no interest in bringing him here. The guy has regression written all over him.Â
if Mazara is good at hitting righties, clearly we need to sign Ramon Arazam to hit lefties
I am very hopeful about Mazara’s prospect for improvement.  Looking at his Baseball Reference similarity scores through age 24, the 10 players with a most similar career trajectory include two Hall of Farmers, a should-be HOFer, a 400 homer guy, a rising star who lost his best years to WWII, and some solid regulars.  That’s no guarantee, of course, but it is fuel for optimism.
Assuming of course that he doesn’t lose his best years to WWIII.
Doubtful DR will join the conflict, but you never know.
I say we go for the man with power. Give me Domingo Santana. Career 119 wRC+ against lefties with a .215 ISO.
The biggest concern for 2020 will be the line-up. How to put it altogether, here’s one version. 1, Robert 2, Anderson 3, Abreu 4, Moncada 5, Eloy 6, EE 7, Grandpa 8, Mazara 9, Mandrail. What’s best