Podcast: White Sox Top Prospects with Jim Callis

Guest: Jim Callis, MLB.com

The Rundown

  • White Sox are on their longest winning streak of 2018 thanks to some big performances this weekend. Is Lucas Giolito’s past five starts progress, or a mirage? Is this peak Carlos Rodon? Should Thyago Vieira and Tyler Danish get more high leverage opportunities?
  • Our good friend, Jim Callis of MLB.com, joins the show to discuss MLBPipeline’s new Top 100 and the White Sox Top 30 prospects. What does he think of the current status of Eloy Jimenez and Michael Kopech? Will Dylan Cease become a starter in the major leagues? Who is the most improved, and how have injuries impacted some of the prospects?
  • Preview the Yankees series, recap action in the Minor Leagues, and answer your questions in P.O. Sox.

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Lurker Laura

Regarding Callis’s argument that there’s no reason for Elopech to be called up: This CBA is the worst. Callis makes sense, which means the players agreed to a terrible, no good, very bad deal. Anything that keeps good players from not playing in the majors is dumb. Imagine if this CBA had been in place when Frank, Robin, et al had been at the beginning of their careers.

Lurker Laura

It’s simply ridiculous.

NDSox12

Not sure the MLBPA sees it as a priority. Every time a prospect is promoted to the majors, another MLBPA member loses his job.

NDSox12

Yeah, I know. I’m just saying there are competing interests within the MLBPA. Veteran players are already having trouble securing/keeping jobs. If teams are disincentivized from keeping players in the minors, it will only get worse for the vets.

mikeyb

Yep, this is exactly correct. Once you’ve made it into the CBA, your own personal interests are actually to limit the number of young players making it into the league.

PauliePaulie

Owners and GM’s are working to pay veterans less and get them out of the league sooner, while gaming the promotions and service time of young prospects. So the MLBPA’s strategy will switch to getting the newly promoted prospects as much $ as quickly as possible.

metasox

I thought the larger issue – which maybe dovetails somewhat – concerned veterans not receiving the big free agent payouts they expected as teams are less willing to pay big for declining years. If anything, a few high profile cases aside, seems teams are actually very willing to advance younger players (even to the detriment of veterans). The problem may be more about how to spread the money differently throughout player careers while ensuring owners are spending what is expected in total payroll

Lurker Laura

Yes, we’ve seemingly settled into a system where players have from approximately ages 24-30 to earn money. 

Trooper Galactus

That’s just it, we’re only now seeing what the effects of the last CBA are. In this case, it’s incentivized teams to manipulate service time and push back free agency. The second order effect of that is that free agency is being pushed back beyond a player’s prime, at which point teams are then balking at paying for a declining asset. This is the result of the MLBPA getting pantsed by focusing on current members and not their future members, to the detriment of their younger members. There should be some sort of avenue for minor league players to bring suit against blatant service time manipulation, because it’s basically punishing them for their team’s unwillingness to field a competitive team.

Anohito

Lamarre instead of Eloy. Welp. There’s hope for the end of the week though.

metasox

Makes sense. Team doesn’t have much position flexibility. At least LaMarre can cover CF

metasox

He gets the call over Palka or Delmonico.

Trooper Galactus

Neither of whom should be in the outfield at all.

lil jimmy

Only one DH and one 1st baseman per game.

PopeDonnPall

What’s the end of the week hope? I get Lamarre because of CF need but why not Tilson or Cordell? Aren’t they both more a potential part of future plans than LaMarre?

I really hope next year we start brining up the mid-prospects for short term gigs rather than signing 4AAAAs who were cut and throwing them on the big league Squad.
Next year let’s see Savala instead of Gurneau. Cordell or Tilson instead of Lamarre. Hamilton or Budi over Minaya or Infante. Stephens make a spot start instead of Volstad.

Result may be the same but at least it feels like progress.

Marty34

Cordell is not a CF’er the times I’ve watched him there this year. Tilson, I’d like to see get another chance.

metasox

The Sox may want Tilson and Cordell getting daily at bats in Charlotte vs sitting on the bench in Chicago. Hopefully they get a better look in Sep

Trooper Galactus

I don’t see why Tilson couldn’t be the starting CF over Engel. It’s not like we really need to see if the latter is about to have a breakout at the plate.

Marty34

Completely agree and it’s one of those small things that makes you wonder about this front office and rebuild.

Trooper Galactus

Is 4AAAA longhand for 16A?

PopeDonnPall

I’d day Gordon Beckham was a 16A.
PS: how the heck do you put a space between lines on these posts? Two returns? Three returns?

Trooper Galactus

Two return/enters. You won’t see it in your text box, but it will show up in the post.

Marty34

Service time for a large market team like the Sox should be a non-issue. Besides that, they have a franchise that has been dying on the vine for the last decade. If they don’t bring these guys up this year it’s a real kick in the teeth to the season ticket holders.

Bring them up or send them home.

sgp2204

Wrong Chicago team. Money is absolutely an issue on this side of Chicago. 

Trooper Galactus

Their current payroll is about $50-60 million under their previous norms. I can pretty much guarantee they have not lost even a fraction of that in revenues. They’re basically stockpiling money at this point, with no guarantee they’ll spend it when the time comes. And they could absolutely be a higher tier (top-10) payroll if they chose to and still turn a profit, they just choose not to cut into their bottom line beyond a certain point.

metasox

The organization did pay more than $50 mil to get Robert, so not sure payroll captures their expenditures

Trooper Galactus

True, but that also precluded them from spending big in subsequent international signing periods, so they saved around $15 million in that regard. I’d still say their expenses are far lower than before.

Marty34

To the extent that it is an issue, it’s because of the way this franchise has operated under JR.

GrinnellSteve

I wonder if they don’t feel a need to boost the Yankee series, preferring instead a Friday against Cleveland. It could be a big crowd that night.
At this point I have no idea what they’re thinking.

Marty34

I don’t think they want Jimenez and Kopech’s first impression of their home park to be one where it’s 80% filled with visiting fans.

Gutteridge70

Good point especially with all the yappy Yankee fans who will be present during the next 3 days.

roke1960

Thanks, Rick. Great move. I would assume Trayce is next on the list.

Gutteridge70

On MLB network Sabr show yesterday they had the author of Astroball stating that of the keys to the Astros sucess and his SI prediction in 2014 that they would win the WS in 2017 was that the Astros were willing to go several years with 100 + losses and a virtual zero Neilson rating not calling up prospects. I do not like the concept of any Sox team losing 100+ losses having lived through those abysmal Sox teams of the early 70s but could live without Elopech being called up until next April.

Trooper Galactus

Except, near as I can tell, they didn’t spend the time from 2014 to 2017 playing a service time manipulation game. Guys like Bregman, Correa, McCullers, and others got called up when they were ready, and not held down for the sake of gaining an extra year of control.