Thornton wants secrets to be kept secrets

A player finally speaks up against OneyLeaks, and speaks hard.

White Sox players usually try to shrug and give a “that doesn’t involve me” quote when it comes to Guillen-fueled drama, but Matt Thornton spoke up on Bruce Levine’s radio show on Saturday. As it turns out, some players think Oney Guillen’s Twitter tirade at Bobby Jenks is a problem.

“What happened here with Oney tweeting what he did, that’s crossing a pretty big line in my personal opinion. That’s something that’s gotta be addressed quickly and taken care of and snuffed out real fast. Anytime you bring clubhouse stuff out in the open, I don’t care what it is, it’s that person’s personal business and also the clubhouse’s personal business. That’s the first time all this stuff has really irritated me. It doesn’t matter what’s true and what’s not true, I don’t care about that. The fact that anything was said at all is ridiculous. It’s definitely gotta be addressed and taken care of real quick around here.”

It’s worth listening to the whole thing, because Thornton sure sounds serious about the matter. He’s equally enthusiastic about the team’s prospects, although it wouldn’t hurt for him to have a great year heading into free agency, either.
And really, I’m most thankful that Thornton spoke up because it confirms that this is just a little bit insane. You learn to roll your eyes at a lot of stuff after the last six years, but hey, there is a line after all. Neat.
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The Chicago Tribune released its Hall of Fame ballots, and out of the seven eligible voters, not a single one voted for Jeff Bagwell — while four voted for Lee Smith. Odd.
But at least Tim Raines received five votes.
You can fill out your own ballot, courtesy of KenWo at South Side Sox. We’ll tally them up and see how they compare to the results later this week. My own personal ballot, if I had one, with a one-sentence justification:

  • Roberto Alomar: Maybe the metrics say differently, but I thought he was great defensively.
  • Jeff Bagwell: Need legitimate steroid ties before I think about not voting for him. Few first basemen could do more.
  • Bert Blyleven: Fifth all time in strikeouts, ninth in shutouts, ferocious curveball — plenty to put on his plaque.
  • Kevin Brown: I’m sold on him the least, but he led some great staffs, and his best six years (1996-2001) were eye-popping for such a hitter-dominated time (cumulative 2.53 ERA).
  • Barry Larkin: Could do everything at a premium defensive position, and for a long time.
  • Edgar Martinez: Forget Jim Rice – hitters are legitimately scary when there’s no way to pitch to them.
  • Mark McGwire: My 16-year-old self wondered what was up with his forearms in ‘98, but baseball didn’t care because he helped erase the rest of the strike stink.
  • John Olerud: Courtesy vote, because he demoralized Sox pitchers.
  • Tim Raines: Reached base more times than Tony Gwynn, and few, if anybody, ran the bases better.
  • Alan Trammell: Being a shade behind Larkin is still plenty good enough.

Part of the reason I’d vote for Brown is that I’m suspecting few else will. I’d just like him to clear 5 percent so we can keep him in the discussion when John Smoltz and Curt Schilling are up for consideration. And I just like the conversation.

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Jim Margalus
Jim Margalus

Writing about the White Sox for a 16th season, first here, then at South Side Sox, and now here again. Let’s talk curling.

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cushinglee

I must say, Jim, you’re pretty generous when it comes to HOF voting.
When Thornton has his first blown save of 2011, Oney will tweet the next day, “This guy is a bumm. Hes more worry about me than pitch!!!”

pdxsoxgirl

I’m really going to miss this site, Jim. The comments section of SSS is very much not of interest to me. The time to sort out the good interesting thoughtful words from the offensive is not worthwhile. But I will still visit to enjoy the great articles, even if I avoid the comments. Best wishes on the change.

pdxsoxgirl

Great Post! Love learning from what is written there. Thanks for the encouragement.
But until the f-words and such are gone, I will skip that comments, but that is ok. I realize I’m just in a sub-culture where I seldom am exposed to raw language- and I plan to keep it that way, despite the fact that such is the norm for many. I had a coworker with a bit of a mouth, but I just never reacted much, and she did grow in that area. I’m content to just enjoy the information parts of the site.

dalton

Lead by example: Nice work!

buford

Thornton has always struck me as a level-headed guy and a straight shooter. That’s why these 2 sentences are so revealing and need attention.
“… That’s the first time all this stuff has really irritated me. … It’s definitely gotta be addressed and taken care of real quick around here.”
The uncontrollable mouth of Ozzie and/or Oney will be Ozzie’s Waterloo as manager of the Sox. It’s only a matter of time.
And Oney’s next controversial tweet might be it.
And if anyone needs a refresher about Ozzie’s thoughts about tweeting:
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
Tweeting Ozzie just wants to have fun
By ESPNChicago.com
“…Guillen said if tweeting becomes a problem for Williams or White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf he would consider stopping. But if he could figure out a way to make money off it, then the discussion might be more difficult. ”
“If I was making money out of this then we’d fight,” Guillen said. “If I was making money out of this, I don’t care who told me, Jerry, Kenny, my mom, my dad, I would tell them to [forget] themselves. I just want to have fun, but if there was money involved I’m pretty sure I would get fired because I would fight for it.” END
Ozzie constantly claims that his love for his family, the White Sox, and Jerry Reinsdorf in particular are foremost in his life.
But then he rationalizes that the pursuit of money allows him to curse out his parents and Reinsdorf.
In Guillen’s mind, his constant “I just want to have fun” motto evidently justifies all his ridiculous comments and money-oriented views on life.
You always hear Kenny Williams state the the White Sox want players of high character. That standard should also include the manager.
The new manager, that is. Since the current manager is beyond hope.

pdxsoxgirl

I agree completely. Oney is a following in his dad’s footsteps with his attitudes and behaviour, but has not the years of talent experience and baseball smarts, or understanding of being a player in a clubhouse. You reap what you sow, and Ozzie is getting that. I’m just not optimistic that there will be any changes. Ozzie will not be able to rein in his son, I can’t see that anyone else could. And I’m not optimistic about the Sox in 2011 until they prove otherwise. I’d like to be, but I’m not. This feels demoralizing and spring training hasn’t even begun. Last year we had Team Great and Team Terrible, Jekal and Hyde. Will we have one team this year, or two?

dalton

Don’t be disheartened. For one, this involved a player no longer with the team, so not having this in-clubhouse will help it be diffused with time. If it takes Oney being beaten, bagged, and trunked until November ’11, so be it, to keep this team as distraction-free as possible.
I like Ozzie, but this was embarrassing and bush league. No. No, I don’t think they pull this junk in the bush leagues. Even they’re too professional for that.

buford

For all those who like Ozzie, I wonder if your opinion would change if your child said to you ” I just want to have fun like Ozzie. And Ozzie’s right…if you ever get between me and my money, I will tell you to go f**k yourself !!”
Or does a Sox WS title override everything because Guillen was the only manger who could have won that title in 2005 and also any future titles?
Isn’t it odd? Guillen repeatedly says he wants his players to respect the game…but the guy shows no respect for his parents by publicly laying f-bombs on them. I can only imagine the hurt they felt upon reading his comments.
As far as your Guillen-like child, Father’s Day and Mother’s Day get-togethers may be somewhat awkward… assuming the kid even shows up.
After all, if the kid is counting his money that day and you come between him and his money, you should know exactly what kind of f***kin’ wish you’ll receive.

dalton

I’d much rather have a guy like Joe Torre leading my club, honestly. Maybe I don’t like Ozzie after all, though I’m not going to look down on him simply because he swears. I’d rather he didn’t, but it’s not the end of the world (I still swear, though I’ve made a concerted effort to quell that habit).
The more I think about it, the more I think Ozzie is arrogant and doomed for a fall.

buford

It’s not the fact that he swears,but rather at whom (his parents) and why (money).
The hypocrisy Guillen gets away with is amazing. I really believe the local writers are afraid of confronting Guillen because they fear a barrage of f-bombs coming their way.
But since there are a good number of fans who ignore Guillen’s immaturity and hypocrisy, why should the writers be any different.

dalton

It wasn’t until late in the season that I discovered this site and started posting, and since I live five hours away (and in a state that loves it some Detroit Tigers), I hadn’t been inundated with Ozzie’s ridiculousness. Besides, I generally ignored it and just read game recaps and checked box scores.
Again, I think he is arrogant, his son is arrogant, and it’s going to be very ugly when he’s ushered out of town. It won’t be a gracious exit.

ricksch

I just wanted to chime in and agree with you both that Ozzie’s immaturity is extremely grating and he’s really overdue for a serious fall. This bumbling, foot-in-mouth act has gotten really old.
What a freakin’ joke — DON’T get in the way of Ozzie and his money!!? Good Christ!? Hasn’t this guy made enough money in his career? Certainly more that a guy with his lack of imagination has the need to spend. All his money only seemed to serve to spoil the hell out of his loser son(s). I’d say “Ozzie grow up!” But clearly he’s telling us that if you have enough money you don’t have to!
I really hope the Ozzie show ends after this year and if the season goes belly up early, fire him midseason.