The trade that still isn't

The more the Mark Teahan-Josh Fields-Chris Getz trade rattled around in my head — and the longer it went unconfirmed — I had the thought that Kansas City was getting off too easy.
It’s a wash in terms of personnel, but the salary relief is too big too ignore.  Teahan is set to make somewhere in the area of $4 million next year, and for that kind of savings, you’d think the Royals would have to throw in an interesting relief arm, at least (if it isn’t mandatory for the Sox to acquire a Kansas City reliever by law).
A couple of other items.
*Mark Kotsay will be back next year, officially, signing a one-year, $1.5 million contract.  He’s not bad in a Ross Gload type of role, but he’s another reason why $4 million for Teahan seems to be an awful lot without anything else in return.  They’re both left-handed, and they’re both not suitable to start.
*Scott Podsednik and Ramon Castro officially filed for free agency, and the Sox have 15 days to exclusively negotiate.  Kind of a funny paragraph from Scott Merkin:

For the next 15 days, the White Sox have an exclusive negotiating period with their free agents. Podsednik figures to receive an offer from the White Sox, and if the team acquires Teahen and re-signs Podsednik for the top of the lineup, then only upgrading the bullpen would seem to be left on the agenda.

Yup.  May as well give the Sox the pennant right then and there.
*Dreams of Bobby Abreu were dashed when he re-signed with the Los Angeles Angels to the tune of two years and $19 million, with a club option for $9 million.  It seems like a fair price to me.
*Jon Garland is a free agent again. Be on the lookout for Mary Kate.
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Arizona Fall League:

  • Mesa 8, Peoria 1
    • Brent Morel went 1-for-3 with a walk.
    • C.J. Retherford and Jordan Danks combined to go 0-for-9 with four strikeouts.
    • Kyle Bellamy allowed a hit and struck out two in a scoreless inning.
    • Justin Cassel and Jacob Rasner were both roughed up.

Larry has a big-assed summary of White Sox winter ball thus far at South Side Sox, so read it.

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Jim Margalus
Jim Margalus

Writing about the White Sox for a 16th season, first here, then at South Side Sox, and now here again. Let’s talk curling.

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knoxfire30

Good Cop: Mark Teahan is a solid ball player, he gives the sox unlimited offseason flexibility since he can play of, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, to certain levels of competance. As well as the sox already having beckham and ramirez who are pretty versitle as well. Maybe Kenny’s plan is to sit back wait and adjust. Remember last year when the angels got abreu for cents on the dollar or how the dodgers got hudson for about the same unreal bargain. The sox by positioning themselves to have numerous moving parts on their roster could sit back and wait for great deals this offseason. They could theroetically pick up a CF move rios to rf, they could pick up a 3rd basemen move beckham and ramirez over, they could pick up a SS, a 2nd basemen, ect ect and keep other parts of their team moving, making it possible to find the best deal. Also, forget the money is mark teahan better then chris getz? YES! Was Josh Fields ever gonna play for the sox again, NO. Thus you traded one player for another and got the best player in the deal.
Bad Cop: Mark Teahan is amazingly average at everything he does. Forget the flukey numbers at the cell those will even out, you just used 2 debatable assets to acquire a guy whose salary just about makes him a non tender canidate on some teams. 4 million for a guy you would rather use as a sub then starter is a steep price to pay. Look at what the red sox just got for 2 lefty loogy bums, Jeremy Hermida a younger brighter left hand hitting outfielder….. Wouldnt the sox rather have Hermida and his upside then Teahan and his mediocrity…. For a team on a tight budget isnt sending 10 years of service time on two guys a bit dumb in exchange for 2 years of an overpriced super sub who is likely to start for you. What internal option now exists for a leadoff hitter??? Im not one who NEEDS to have a legit leadoff man i think that is a little over rated but… honostly the 310-330 obps of this team is rediculous, aj, rios, ramirez, teahan, all at the bottom hardly ever getting on is a recipe for offensive disaster. And Nix certainly didnt show much of any obp capabilities. The only way the Teahan move makes some sense would be with a guy like Damon coming on board to leadoff and play some of/dh or a guy like Figgins or Polanco or Hudson which all have different degrees of attainability.

bigfun

He’s not a 2B. He’s played three games total there in the majors, and as a mediocre/bad 3B he doesn’t project to be playable at the keystone.
Agree with most of your bad cop points. Unless Dayton Moore wants to throw in Kila Ka’aihue this trade will hopefully die a quick death (probably after Getz’s physical).

striker

I think the holdup is money or a KC prospect. Then the deal makes more sense from the White Sox perspective.
I’m betting Kenny wanted someone LH and someone that could play multiple positions, giving the Sox flexibility. I think heal deal for a LH run producer at some point this winter, but I’m not sure who. He needs someone that compliments Quentin in the lineup and that can carry the load if Quentin goes down.

striker

he’ll not heal

stopdrop8

Teahen deal is official. Getz and fields for Teahen and cash considerations, i’m excited to see how much money they threw in

Sophist

Here’s a crazy stretch of an idea that someone will take apart quickly. The Sox and Rays are potentially good trade partners because the Sox seem ready to move Jenks and need outfielders, particularly of the ilk that Rays have available–Crawford–and the Rays need a closer.
Problem: if Crawford is too expensive for the Rays, then so will Jenks. And if the Sox can spare the extra $3 mill or so in difference between Jenks and Crawford, and want to move Jenks–in part–because of his contract, it wouldn’t make sense to give the Rays the bushel of cash they’d want for Jenks.
But the Rays do have another guy they’d like to movev who might fit the Sox–Pat Burrel. What if the Teahan deal sets up this trade: Jenks and Teahan for Burrell and Crawford?
Salary considerations:
2009 Sox . . . add about $10 million but fill two spots and lose Burrell’s $8 mill in 2010
2009 Rays . . . carve about $11 off (with most of Teahan’s deal paid by KC). They’d probably have to pay all that in 2010, but maybe the Sox could eat some of Teahan’s money (since they will have Burrell and Konerko off the books then)

bigfun

It’s not a terrible idea, but the Rays are too smart to give up a premium player for a closer. The last few years they have just made their best bullpen guy the closer. You might be able to do a trade like that for a club that overvalues closers, but probably not the Rays. The Rays already have depth at 3B/OF so I don’t think they would have any interest in Teahen, who’s not that good anyway.
I like the offseason plans that suggested trading with Colorado – they have some logjams and might want a closer to complement/replace Street after his postseason debacle.

ceverettsdinosaurs

Looks like Teahan will be playing third base, which is interesting because his defense isn’t good there (-10.9 UZR in 2009 at 3B) and his bat lacks power. I’m not sure that this is a great idea unless they’re actually planing on acquiring someone else and Teahan is going to be a backup.

iowaoaks

It’s being reported that Beckham will be moved to Second Base with this move. HUH?
I get moving Bacon off of third after acquiring someone else, but wouldn’t Short be the better position and get The Cuban Missile back to Second… or am I wrong here?
and what was fielding percentages for Bacon at third?

bigfun

Well the most basic reason is it’s better to move just one guy than to move two (if it ain’t broke don’t fix it). Beckham was an average defender at 3B, Ramirez was arguably better at SS than 2B, but the sample size is probably too small to say.
An argument could be made for either arrangement, but it probably just depends on how the Sox view their own players – I think Ozzie and Kenny have decided Ramirez is a shortstop for better or for worse, but Beckham has proven he’s adaptable. Remember that Ramirez has played shortstop for a lot longer than Beckham, who is still at an age when a lot of guys who were shortstops in college are transitioning to 3B or 2B or other positions.