Indians 12, White Sox 0: Swept out of Cleveland

Followed-from-work bullet-point recap:

*If you thought the White Sox lost this game three batters into the bottom of the first inning, your fatalism served you well. Reynaldo Lopez started the game with a four-pitch walk to Francisco Lindor, which Yoan Moncada exacerbated by failing to handle a rather routine grounder to his left. Two pitches later, Jose Ramirez hit a three-run homer to put the game out of reach before Lopez reached the first out.

*Corey Kluber was the reason for the pessimism. He lived up to the billing, allowing a two-out single to Omar Narvaez and a leadoff walk to Charlie Tilson over seven innings, and the Tilson walk was erased when he was gunned down at second.

*Kluber should’ve walked two, but he received a beneficial strike three call on Yoan Moncada, after which Rick Renteria was ejected.

*The White Sox have now lost seven games in a row, and this shutout was the worst this century.

*Lopez was able to get into the fifth, but he spent a lot of time missing out of the zone (four walks) or too in the zone (six hits, three for extra bases).

*Bruce Rondon looked worse. The Indians pushed the game into double digits on his watch, giving up six runs on three hits, three walks, a homer and two wild pitches. Narvaez couldn’t give him much help on errant pitches. His ERA is now 6.75, which hurts trade value.

*The White Sox picked up a second hit before the game ended, on Jose Abreu’s one-out double in the ninth.

*Daniel Palka made a nice running catch in right to end the second, and Adam Engel ended the fourth with a diving catch. Imagine if those didn’t happen.

Record: 24-49 | Box score

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Jim Margalus

Writing about the White Sox for a 16th season, first here, then at South Side Sox, and now here again. Let’s talk curling.

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PauliePaulie

This is rock bottom. The climb back begins tomorrow.

ImmortalTimeTravelMan

What are the standards/parameters that Rick and Ricky are being judged by that would determine if they are being successful at their jobs or not at this point?

sgp2204

Development of young players (and prospects in Rick’s case). This year is SUPPOSED to be rock bottom on the major league club. Next year *should* be a little better, and 2020 is the first year they should realistically have a chance at the playoffs. Then they can continue building on that (hopefully).

As far as judging right now, the three teams from A through AA just had ~20 All Stars. I’d say that’s a pretty good start for Hahn’s rebuild. They really just need to be given some time to develop before you can judge what Hahn has done over the last year and a half. 

As far as judging Ricky, that one’s going to be a little tougher. I’d say if Moncada continues his post-injury form and doesn’t make any real strides before this season ends, Ricky will absolutely be on the hot seat. You could probably throw Anderson in there as well. Obviously the young pitchers matter too, but I think he has much less of an effect on them compared to Moncada/Anderson. His leash is (or at least should be) a lot shorter than Hahn’s. 

Anyone expecting anything from the team this year is/was just unrealistic. Out of the 25 man roster, half of it probably won’t be on this team when they become competitive, including the ENTIRE outfield.

mikeyb

Rick Hahn has been around this team a lot longer than Renteria. Not sure why he should be given a longer leash. If these prospects don’t pan out (I don’t expect that, but shit happens), his talent evaluation (and the evaluating skills of his scouts) absolutely should have him fired. And if his argument is that Renteria is failing to develop the talent, well, that’s the 2nd straight garbage hire for a manager too. So I think Hahn’s seat needs to be a similar temperature to Renteria’s. (But FWIW I’d give them both through at least the end of 2019)

sgp2204

Rick Hahn has absolutely been around for a long time. And I’m of the belief that he was basically a puppet for Kenny (who should be LONG gone – and that includes the Ventura hiring) until he convinced him and Jerry to do this full rebuild, which is why I have no problem giving him a longer leash. That very well could be wrong, but that’s the impression I’ve received from this organization. 

I appreciate that you can at least give him another year though, unlike many who want heads to roll right now. 

mikeyb

I think it’s fair to put the majority of the blame for past failings on Kenny. But I still think that if we get to the point where it’s decided that Renteria needs to go, Hahn should be out the door too. He hired Renteria. He brought in the players Renteria is supposed to develop. I think the two of them are basically a package deal at this point.

Marty34

His track record shows that Hahn is in over his head.

sgp2204

How has Hahn shown that he’s in over his head? Unless you believe he was fully in charge before he convinced the rest of the higher ups to rebuild, what do you think he’s doing incorrectly? 

sgp2204

Fair enough, mikeyb. I’m of the general belief that a GM should get 2 failed coaches before he’s canned (as I said, I believe Robin was Kenny/Jerry’s doing). The only way I would’ve put them both on the hot seat together is if the rest of the organization looked like a disaster in addition to the major league club (like KC/Baltimore).

For me, Hahn has done enough to add elite talent throughout the entire organization that I think he deserves the chance to see the team develop a little. If we aren’t showing any signs of improvement this time next year, I’ll be more than happy to talk about his seat warming up, but for now, I think it’s way too early. To each their own though. 

tommytwonines

Hahn’s got the GM job as long as Reinsdorf’s in charge. Same with Gar and the Bulls. He’s not starting over again with new people at this stage in his reigns. 

asinwreck

In keeping with Chicago pitching being hit around, ESPN has a story about Ichiro possibly-nah being in the home run derby that included this bit:

If Suzuki did try his hand against some of the game’s top sluggers in D.C., however, he knows who he’d want pitching to him.

“Mark Buehrle,” he said, after a long contemplative pause.

Suzuki was 27-for-66 (.409) against the burly left-hander, who won 214 games over 16 seasons.

wonderpants

love for Buehrle comes in many shapes and sizes

Gutteridge70

Any baseball fan who ever saw Buerhle play loved him…. unless you sold beer at the venue he was pitching at.