Podcast: What will the White Sox do before the trade deadline

Guest: RJ Anderson, CBS Sports
Guest Co-Host: Herb Lawrence, 670 the Score

Josh is joined by Herb Lawrence to discuss White Sox dealings and the news around MLB as Marcus Stroman was traded to the New York Mets. Should the White Sox jump at the chance to deal for Noah Syndergaard? If not, what moves will they make? 

Our guest this week is RJ Anderson who wrote a terrific piece about possible MLB expansion and discusses what needs to happen before Portland or Montreal get a team. Plus, the latest he’s hearing about possible trades regarding the White Sox. 

This week’s P.O. Sox questions:

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mevale

For the first time this year, I am looking for them to trade Colome (not Bummer). I was hoping that the first half of ’19 was not a mirage, but I guess I was wrong. I hope we get a decent pitching prospect back

Patrick Nolan

I think Jon Jay is gone. Honestly don’t know that they’ll offload anyone else.

roke1960

Agreed. Jay is unneccessary now and should just be given away. The Sox still need the innings Nova gives them and it’s not worth giving him up for a low A player. I think Colome could go if they get a decent AA prospect for him.

lil jimmy

I think they might find a way to unload Castillo. It seems they want Collins up, but Castillo is in the way.

Patrick Nolan

I think Castillo’s gonna have to be DFA’d. He’s not giving any team a reason to want him, even for free.

As Cirensica

I don’t know… Yonder found a job, so I guess all the bets are off

Trooper Galactus

He found a job…after being DFA’d.

HallofFrank

Yeah, I agree as well. I do think they might trade Nova, but the innings he’ll give are probably more valuable than anything they’d receive in return.

After seeing what prospects Stroman got, I have very little interest in selling Colome. Or, at least, I think the point in trading him would be salary relief for a player who’s about to regress rather than the prospect(s) he’d return. 

PauliePaulie

I think recent fan anger makes the Sox even less likely to sell. They’ll hold just to be better than the deadline tankers and shoot for 75 wins.

HallofFrank

I love that the Padres have been aggressive in the offseason and in bringing up prospects generally, but I don’t get the love for what they’ve done specifically. Sure, Machado is great, but Eric Hosmer might be the worst contract in recent memory. 

As much as I would love to have Machado, it does give me a little pause that the only teams to even come near a $300 mil offer for Machado (at least that I know of) were the White Sox and the team that gave Eric Hosmer 8 years, $144 mil. Not great company to be in.

All this to say, before Sox fans look to the Padres as a model of how to operate, we should think how we feel if Rick Hahn gave that kind of 8 year contract to a 1B that projects to be around 100 wRC+ every year. 

HallofFrank

Sure, I’m definitely not saying the Sox are in a better position (or anything close to that). As I said, I love the aggression, and I hope they are rewarded for it. 

What I am saying is that I hope Sox fans, or more importantly Rick Hahn & Co., don’t see the Padres’ moves as some kind of model to pursue. I really think the Hosmer signing is going to hurt, a lot, even if they are able to overcome it with their ridiculous farm system. Of course, no team is perfect, but this move has just seemed like an obvious, and *very* costly, blunder from day one. 

I’m all for giving out 9 figure deals to free agents, which the Padres have done twice in the last two years. I just hope we give those deals to free agents who are worth it, on which the Padres are 1 for 2. Which, unlike on the field, is not a good batting average.

lil jimmy

In the last 12 seasons, I count one winning season 2010. While they are always on the way, they never arrive.

HallofFrank

I do think they’ll be pretty good in the next few years given the depth of their system, but they’ve also put the pressure on for the ’20-’22 seasons while the Hosmer contract isn’t underwater and Machado is still on the right side of 30. 

lil jimmy

What aboutism?

lil jimmy

We all know what’s going on around here.
10 out of 11 losing seasons is worth a mention.

GoGoSoxFan

Since there’s some asshole around here who down votes opinions they don’t like I’ll put my +1 here for lj’s mentioning 10/11 losing seasons.

lil jimmy

10 out of 11 losing seasons is a fact not opinion. And the Sox gave away Tatis Jr.
He tops SD’s system, If he was still here instead of there, we have the best system.
So credit them for sucking Hahn, not drafting genius.

lil jimmy

MacKenzie Gore
CJ Abrams
Xavier Edwards
I loved all three of these players.
We never had a chance at Gore.
Certainly a fine group, Right now they have the same lousy record we do. When they put a good team in San Diego, I’ll buy in.

Trooper Galactus

@lil jimmy 10 out of 11 losing seasons is not actually a fact…

35Shields

When I first read that, I honestly wasn’t sure if you were talking about the Padres or the White Sox. 9 out of 11 doesn’t look much better

GreatjonHumber

How many division titles does Donn Pall have?

HallofFrank

It seems like you’re going after a straw man here. Again, to be extra clear about this: I’m *not* saying the White Sox are in a better position or have done a better job than the Padres.

I’m simply saying that the Padres should not be hailed as a pristine example, as Herb seemed to do on the podcast, for what the White Sox should be doing.

I’m happy to say they’ve done plenty well (very well!), and far better than the White Sox.

HallofFrank

Absolutely. It’s not just that it was a mistake—every team makes mistakes—but it was on such a massive scale and, again, from the beginning was an awful idea. It would be different if they just sort of got unlikely and the guy tanked or got injured. I don’t see how any team could be a pristine example for a rebuild with a move like that, even if they are doing some other things right. 

I can only imagine Sox fans reaction if Hahn made a Hosmer-esque signing this offseason. I suspect that a Machado-like signing the next offseason would only make us more mad for what could have been.

MrTopaz

I get that the Hosmer signing didn’t exactly count as best practices, at least as we think of them when we think of well run teams like the Astros and Dodgers, but it wasn’t so bad as to disqualify them as an example of how to get the damn thing done. Both the Sox and the Padres are on a nice, decade+ long run of misery, but only one team has shown a willingness to spend money on premier free agent talent, an ability to find and develop quality players in the draft and international market, and the flexibility to use a season of quasi-contention as an extended tryout for young talent, even if that means complicating payroll considerations most of a decade from now. The Hosmer signing is a blemish surrounded by generally good baseball decisions. The Sox’ decisions over the past few years, on the other hand, can best be described as a few hits surrounded by a sea of spectacular failures brought on by incompetence or sclerotic inaction.

Preller’s may be an asshole, but there’s no question his team is more successful, and that’s absolutely due to good baseball decisions. The one dumb move he made doesn’t change that.

lil jimmy

“The one dumb move” Do you refer to Matt Kemp?

MrTopaz

Point taken, but even still. I’d rate their rebuild as better executed, not just further along, and, as such, an example to be followed.

GoGoSoxFan

You’re my hero lj. When I grow up I want to be just like you. 🙂

lil jimmy

You are older than me, and you will never grow up!

GoGoSoxFan

LOL! You’re right twice.

GoGoSoxFan

By the way lj, I’d have given that comment a +1 but someone would have down voted it back to 0, just like they have all my other up votes on this thread.

lil jimmy

I’m going down swinging GoGo!

GoGoSoxFan

Give ’em Hell lj. (Just assume I gave you a +1 on any comment you make regardless of it showing a 0.)

HallofFrank

I somehow got portrayed in this argument as one saying that the Sox were better off than the Padres. I’m sorry if i came off that way! That certainly wasn’t my intention. I think there was probably even some violent agreement here. 

In the end, my only point is that Sox fans are a little too quick to point to the Padres as a model to follow. There’s a lot they are doing right, but handing out one of the worst (and costliest) contracts in recent history is a pretty big black mark.

mikeyb

It’s $20 million per year for a few years, then $13 million for 3 years. That money is nothing to 90% of teams. The White Sox could add $20 million in payroll right now and still not be in the top 20 in the league in payroll.

It was a dumb move that is going to have very little long-term negative impact on their franchise.

GoGoSoxFan

John Danks’ four year $60mm contract had a negative impact on the Sox. Just sayin’.

mikeyb

That’s because the Sox are a chicken shit franchise. Eric Hosmer’s signing didn’t stop them from going out and getting Machado. If anything, that Danks’ contract hamstrung the Sox is just another indication of why the Sox should be more like the Padres, instead of acting like some poor, small-market franchise.

melidoperez

Recent HOFish track 3B ages 30-34 bWAR

Beltre 29.5 (706 games)
Chipper 21.8 (667 games)
Rolen 17.9 (553 games)

Not their peaks, but if you’re this level, why assume a guy is useless once they reach 30?

Trooper Galactus

2012 was also a winning season.

karkovice squad

Hosmer’s can’t possibly be the worst contract when Chris Davis’ exists.

HallofFrank

So I have in mind here evaluating the contract when it was signed. For this, the Davis contract doesn’t come close to being as bad, in my opinion.

Davis’ 7-year, $166m extension might have been ill-advised at the time, but you could do worse with your money. He was coming off a 4-year stretch in which he had hit 159 HR and put up 15.2 WAR (for reference, Hosmer put up 9.7 WAR the 4-years before his big contract).

To be fair, leadership and defense appear to be strong factors in the Hosmer signing but, without the benefit of hindsight, I would have taken the Davis contract in 2015 rather than the Hosmer contract in 2018, and rather easily I think. 
 

karkovice squad

You’re leaving out age and contact profiles which are kind of critical and favored Hosmer. Hosmer’s decline is a lot more surprising than Davis turning into Dunn/Howard/LaRoche.

HallofFrank

Stripped of the names and hindsight, I’m still taking the Davis contract over the Hosmer. The point with Hosmer is that, even without a decline, he was well beyond “overpaid.” 

PauliePaulie

20 comments surrounding Eric Hosmer definitely beats last week’s 33 comments on Steele Walker.

melidoperez

We all go a bit overboard with modern day analysis, but it might be a time to step back, and think about where you are as a fan. On a message board for a team that has wasted a decade, and given fans about two months of fun over that period (whatever year they went nuts that one June). You are here talking about how another team that is trying is just being too risky, and you’re somewhat relieved you won’t face the worst fate of all, someone else’s money being spent on a contract that isn’t a good value. This is legitimately amazing to me.

mrridgman

Hard to follow along. For most of this thread I knew that there was major disagreement ongoing, Hosmer’s name was thrown around but the major disagreement (?) appears to be who was the poorer-run organization over the last 11 years – to me it’s pretty close to a tie. Bill Parcells – their records speak for themselves. Is it better to be slightly less shitty? FWIW, I’m a trade Colome/Bummer/Nova/McCann (if you can’t sign to a 2-3 year extension) when you can get some value. The WS will tease but not really contend next year. I’m of the “relievers are volatile trade them when they have spiked and get some more” school.

Lurker Laura

Until either the White Sox or the Padres have sustained major league success, this is a pointless argument.

Then again, it’s less than 48 hours before the trade deadline, and there’s nothing to talk about on that front, so carry on.

GoGoSoxFan

There is no place for a voice of reason here LL.

Patrick Nolan

For whoever cares.

Yolmer's gatorade

A Jay/Colome package could work with the Phillies. They could use a 4th outfielder. Maybe the Sox get back a mid top 10 Phillies prospect and a lottery tickst.

lil jimmy

Or a Colome’ / Nova deal. They also need a starter. Pick up some salary to have a decent return.

karkovice squad

They just grabbed Vargas.

karkovice squad

His arm angle/release is trending more 3/4 the last month-ish. He probably just needs to tweak his mechanics again.

35Shields

“I know that teams aren’t dumb, but a regression for Colome is coming and I don’t want it to happen on the White Sox and I want someone to see his low ERA and only one blown save…”

Translation: “I know teams aren’t dumb, but I want them to be.”

Thanks for that enlightenment, Herb

5742mail

Lets not trade for a left handed power bat,our luck with them lately has been bad. Palka,Collins and Reed has 9 hits in 109 at bats

lil jimmy

More like “Power outage” Bats! I’m I right?

Trooper Galactus

Well, how many hits do YOU have in 109 at bats? HMMMMMMMMMM?