Podcast: 2024 White Sox top prospects with Jim Callis

Rundown

  • [Intro] Is the Chicago White Sox farm system getting better?
  • [3:55] Why Colson Montgomery is a Top 10 prospect
  • [11:13] Noah Schultz is ranked #50 and Jim thinks the White Sox could push him to 80+ innings in 2024
  • [14:20] Why Bryan Ramos is underrated
  • [15:50] How the Los Angeles Angels may have impacted Edgar Quero’s development
  • [20:04] Who arrives to the majors first: Nick Nastrini or Jake Eder?
  • [22:19] Question from Patreon supporter Connor Cody
  • [26:35] Question from Patreon supporter Rock-Beats-Paper
  • [29:39] Questions from Patreon supporter Greg Diamond
  • [32:46] Question from Patreon supporter Muhammed Darwish
  • [40:18] 2024 MLB Draft Preview: Why both Jim and Josh like Georgia outfielder Charlie Condon as an early target for the White Sox at Pick 5.
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knoxfire30

Pitchers and Catchers reporting Wednesday and the college baseball season getting going Friday… no matter how bad the sox are going to be still hard not to be excited for the start of the season. Should be fun tracking possible 5th picks this year as well, board definitely seems college bat heavy which I think is a good thing for the sox.

LamarHoyt_oncrack

There are still at least 10-15 or so good/decent players unsigned. I wonder if Tim/Clev will find teams. I think Tim will, Clevinger might have a hard time finding a taker. Will be interesting to see how far into spring training any of these guys sign, and if any are still holding out come opening day.

knoxfire30

Teams seem really conscious of off field issues, Tim had some of his own problems, Clevinger, and even Bauer who offered to play for the minimum are not getting much of any traction due to some of their own off field problems. I think TA eventually gets a deal due to the lack of depth at SS/2nd in the market but his number is gonna be very low. Clev and Bauer may be out of luck until some injuries strike in spring or during the season.

As Cirensica

Funny, I think there is a better chance of Clevinger finding a team than Tim. Teams are always starving for pitching. More than mediocre SS.

bobsquad

At this point, I doubt Clevinger comes anywhere close in dollars to the $8MM option he turned down. It wasn’t reported if the White Sox were necessarily going to pick up their side, but if he returned to the White Sox he likely would have found his way elsewhere midseason by trade/waiver claim anyways.

StockroomSnail

I mean this sincerely, I’m glad the white sox don’t ruin baseball for you. It’s easy to wallow.

HallofFrank

Jim is a great guest. Great work, as always. It’s jaw dropping that Colson is the first White Sox draftee to crack the top 10.

I’ve said it a few times here, but I still think the collapse of the rebuild is because of two major failures: (1) they didn’t spend on premium free agents and (2) the most important drafts to support the rebuild (2016 – 2018) were so atrocious. It wouldn’t surprise me if 2016 – 2018 was the worst three year draft stretch in team, maybe league, history. They were critical draft years and they absolutely bungled it.

GrinnellSteve

Jim Callis is the best regular guest on the podcast.

New project for the staff: identify the best and worst 3-year draft periods in Sox history. That would be a fascinating read.

upnorthsox

Best 3-year may be a toss up between 1987-1989 or 1988-1990.

dongutteridge

I’m gonna say the worst period of White Sox drafting is the 21st century.

Joliet Orange Sox

The Sox have had a lot of bad drafts during the Cenozoic Era.

upnorthsox

Minor quibble but I’d say it was 2016-2020. Putting Nicky NoClue in charge was a firable offense.

HallofFrank

I’m not inclined to include 2020. The COVID draft was pretty strange, and there aren’t many players below Crochet in the first round I’d rather have (though of course there are a few). So, between netting Tepera for Horn and the Sox trying to start Crochet, it’s tough to know where this stacks up against the league with an otherwise lackluster draft.

I did think about extending the run through 2019 but I thought I’d be lenient and say the jury is partially out on Vaughn—and Weems was part of the Lynn return. But, even so, my point was about the importance of ’16-’18 for the rebuild and ’19 is probably a little too late for us to expect the players to help that rebuild. After all, most of the players from that draft as just now arriving.

BenwithVen

The same as it ever was. Using the draft and International FA pool to find guys they can fast track to the MLB roster because Jerry doesn’t want to pay for free agents.

HallofFrank

Yeah, this is a really good point: although the two failures are different kinds of failures, their cause is the same. The draft became the emergency way to duct tape over Jerry’s unwillingness to spend, but that meant low-upside college players who—because of the aforementioned lack of upside—couldn’t provide the adhesive necessary to keep it all together.

upnorthsox

He doesn’t want to pay for guys on the minor league rosters either. The worst of both worlds.

mrridgman

You may be right, but remember the Lance Broadway era?

HallofFrank

We might have a contender! I didn’t deep dive but 2005-2007 was indeed a rough stretch.

But, I still think ’16-’18 is worse. First, the Sox had higher (and more) picks then than in ’05-’07. Second, in ’05-’07 you have a handful of guys that made modest contributions, like Hector Santiago, Clayton Richard, Nate Jones, Jack Petricka, and… Chris Getz! In ’16-’18, it’s Jake Burger. Beyond Burger, you’re reaching for likes of Zach Remiellard and Romy Gonzalez.

Plus, Lance Broadway apparently had an acting role in Olympus Has Fallen. That’s such a fun fact I’m counting that pick as a win.

Holland23

With that name a career as an actor makes sense.

asinwreck

It’s funny that Jim’s tracking started with the year 1991. Why? Because that’s the first year after Jerry Reinsdorf decided that Larry Himes and Al Goldis were not the right people to run baseball operations for the White Sox.

Himes and Goldis had four first round picks. They drafted Jack McDowell (27.8 WAR), Robin Ventura (56.1 WAR), Frank Thomas (73.8 WAR), and Alex Fernandez (28.5 WAR). These drafts, along with the Harold Baines trade, shaped the 1993 AL Central champions, but Reinsdorf didn’t like their style and replaced them with Ron Schueler and Duane Shaffer.

Once Himes and Golids are fired, it gets grim. Between 1991-1997, the collective first round picks earned -5 WAR. Then 1998 was good with Aaron Rowand 20.9 WAR) and Kip Wells (8.0 WAR). Then, a bunch of nothing before Gio Gonzalez in 2004 (28.3 WAR).

The undisputed highlight of the last 33 years is drafting Chris Sale (47.2 WAR) when he fell out of the top 10 in 2010. Even in years when the Sox have drafted in the top 5, they have been unable to identify impact talent.

Kenny Williams was farm director during the 1990s, so I had hoped that domestic scouting would improve once he replaced Schueler. That didn’t happen. Maybe Chris Getz will be different, but so far, the men that Jerry Reinsdorf has trusted to bring talent in have given us no reason to trust their evaluations.

HallofFrank

No doubt, things have been bad for a long time. But even glancing over these years, I think you’d be hard pressed to find a worse three year stretch than 2016-2018.

You said, “then, a bunch of nothing before Gio…” Yes, but there’s nothing and then there’s *nothing.* Even in the ugly early 2000s stretch, there was very little of consequence, true—but you still find several players who were useful in one way or another (Chris Young, Brandon McCarthy, Jeremy Reed, and a few relievers).

After Jake Burger, we’re looking at Zach Remeillard, Gavin Sheets, and Matt Foster for the next best players in this draft class. On top of that, in 2016-2018 they were picking higher and with more picks than in previous years. And it was still a disaster.

LamarHoyt_oncrack

Well one thing became clear last night. The Sox definitely should be trying to emulate KC. But the Royals are the wrong team in that city to emulate.

4 SB appearances and 3 wins in 5 years… that’s good Wimpy.

md03

Thanks for the response to my question, really interesting answer.

asinwreck

As you guys were discussing important tools, I just got stuck on the fact that the Chicago White Sox drafted Nick Madrigal with the fourth pick in the draft. There are not enough golden retrievers in the Callis family to provide me therapy for that traumatic memory.