Podcast: Goodbye (for now), Tim Anderson and Liam Hendriks
Record Date: 11/5/2023
Rundown:
- Chicago White Sox decline Tim Anderson and Liam Hendriks contract option. A recap of their impact to the White Sox and what’s next for both.
- GM Meetings begin this week as the White Sox are not shopping Dylan Cease, but will listen to offers.
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The Sox have actually had some pretty good shortstops starting with George Davis, then Buck Weaver, Luke Appling, Chico Carrasquel, Luis Aparicio, Ron Hansen, Ozzie, Alexi and Tim
I’d throw Jose Valentin on that list, too. He was about 3-4 WAR per year over 5 years. That makes for an awfully good run from Ozzie to Tim. Uribe was also more than passable, especially considering the whole World Series thing.
beat me to it… yeah Jose was very under rated. Tim was way more talented, but his lack of durability (last time he played 125 games was 2018) really hurt his overall value. Jose’s Sox WAR in 5 years being higher than Tim’s in 8 really illustrates that.
And he had a killer ‘stache.
80 grade ‘stache.
Cease’s 70’s pornstar stache puts Jose’s to shame.
Nope.
You left out Jose Valentin. 4 straight seasons with a WAR over 3. His Sox WAR in 5 seasons was 17, which was higher than Tim’s for his career.
You could probably add Bucky Dent in there too. It’s too bad we are not cranking out SS with our history.
Bucky Dent had a middle name thrown in usually. Drawing a blank on what that was though…
I mentioned on another thread that as Alexei was leaving, the W Sox had traded Semien and signed Tatis Jr ….coulda, woulda been different
I keep coming back to the braves as a trade partner for cease, they have 2 high end pitching prospects in the top 100 in salver and waldrep, then I like a couple guys they could add to a package in shewmake who could probably start for us at SS then transition to a utility role once Montgomery is up, and then hackenberg cause I like reuniting families… … would be one or two of their top end arms then there 15th , and 17th ranked prospects… may be a lot but maybe sox could add something to the mix
I like the O’s as a trade partner much better, they have much better prospects than the Braves. Cowser, Kjerstad, Mayo are all top 30, two are left handed. I’d love 2 of them if possible, I think Cease is worth that if they don’t ask for Holliday. All the O’s prospects are hitters, most have spent time at AAA, several are left handed, they have good hitting already, and they need pitching desperately… just seems like a perfect match.
Yea orioles would be my top choice probably have been since last deadline just trying to explore some other suitors. Not sure we could get 2 top 30’s but…. you can always ask. Orioles budget restraints coupled with a few blocked position players make them a very good trade partner for the sox.
I really wonder, considering their lack of movement this year, how willing the O’s are to part with prospects for pitching. Lord knows they needed it.
The O’s have 6 top 50 prospects, all hitters. They have a good offense, so some of those guys are blocked. A no brainer that they trade prospects for pitching, one would think. Might not be Cease, but they will almost undoubtedly trade for somebody.
They are also currently 30th in payroll, they can go it whatever direction they want. I haven’t seen if they have 40 man issues or not.
I’m skeptical simply for the reasons you state in that they didn’t use their resources to improve an obvious hole in a 100 win team going into the playoffs.
Re: Trading Cease. Here’s where I’m at: if you’re not going to sign Cody Bellinger (or make a comparably large splash in free agency), then you should aggressively listen (is that a thing?) to offers and try to find a trade partner. It all comes down to the package, of course. But I think they could find the right package if they really wanted to.
Here’s my idea for a Cease trade: Cease to Diamondbacks for Brandon Pfaadt and Jordan Lawlar.
The kind of splash I expect this offseason will be to sign Merrifield, and trade prospects with non-zero value for Salvador Perez.
I don’t think Getz is that stupid. Hahn was/is, but Getz is smarter than that, and aside for not firing Grifol (a decision that might have been made for him), he is starting pretty solidly as a GM. The jury is still out though.
Everyone but the Brewers have dropped out on the Counsel chase. Could Getz jump in at the last minute and pull off an upset? One could dream, and Getz would deserve major kudoos.
Whoa, and just like that…..but the wrong Chicago team.
LMAO!!!!
Having said that, I’d take David Ross over Grifol a million times.
He’s available….I guess.
I wish Grifol was available too.
If I’m keeping it 100, I’d take Ross, a Ball of lint made of stray city cat hair, a random dog passing the stadium on a lovely walk, Alf, a bundle of dandelions pulled from a bridgeport yard…basically insert any random day to day thing you see but figure nothing of and it could be a million times better than Grifol and all the hats or “bats over legs” excuses.
They say there is a “mystery team”, but I highly doubt it will be the White Sox. We are stuck with Grifol, and that’s depressing the hell out of me. Unless Getz has the most impressive poker face among GMs, we are grifoled.
No it’s the Cubs!! WTF!
I hate my team.
I’m not sure where the evidence is to suggest that “Getz is smarter than that.” He’s failed in every front office role he’s ever had, and the decision to keep Grifol is really the only thing to judge him on so far. The Hendriks option was obvious, and to me, you can’t really judge the TA decision until you see how it plays out.
True, I’m not giving him any benefit of doubt until he proves he’s different than the phony halfwit he worked as assistant to.
I would hope he’s smarter than to trade for Perez AND pay him 42M for his age 34/35 seasons. If KC picks up most of his salary and they don’t have to give up any prospects, it’s still pointless but at least not totally idiotic.
I just want to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt rather than just strike him with the incompetent GM branding many White Sox are quick to endorse. He might have proven not to be good at A and B tasks, but maybe he can be good at C tasks. There are airplane pilots that can’t drive a car.
Ok, but the possibility exists he is not “smarter than that.” The decision to keep Grifol suggests it’s business as usual for the Sox – Getz contributed to the problems of the previous front office structure, and it’s fair to assume he’s bad based on his history until he proves otherwise.
Also when there is not an actual search for the job, just a lazy owner not wanting to go through the trouble, it’s hard to give benefit of the doubt. Particularly when Getz hasn’t shown any ability that fans can fall back on to say “well at least this should improve”. He has no wins to speak of at any point of his career to inspire confidence. Not to mention being close to tenured with the White Sox doesn’t do much on a resume as Jerry would think.
I guarantee you that the White Sox aren’t signing Merrifield and trading for Salvy. Keeping Grifol might have not been a Getz decision.
I’m gonna hold you to the Sox not getting Merrifield/Salvy! I think either or both is more likely than neither.
If you found out that Getz was one of the strong voices in the room advocating for Grifols hiring, would that influence your belief that Jerry is making Getz keep Grifol?
Yes
Trade Cease? Our first bright shiny object of the offseason….
There’s been chatter about Counsell establishing the true value of a solid manager. I think his now crosstown counterpart has been doing exactly that.
The other side of Chicago is focused on establishing the true value of an unsolid manager. Chicago is creating the bands.
But there is one thing the Cubs will never have. Culture.
This Counsell hire makes me sad as a White Sox fan. Just sell Jerry my god, your fans keep taking hits left and right lol
I’d love to know what he’s thinking right now. It’s just so clear Jerry has no fucking clue how to run a baseball team, what the hell is he holding on for?
87 year old Billionaire Boredom is a dangerous thing in Sports Ownership…
Mike Ilitch made it interesting for a stretch.
I think the Sox woes are only partly b/c he doesn’t have a clue, but mostly b/c he just does not care.
As to what would make someone who clearly has little interest in winning baseball hold on… the answer to that would have to be $$$$.
He probably is just thinking of not shitting his pants, like most almost 90 year olds. Then maybe he’ll get around to thinking about it when he gets to White Sox business later in the week
Just because he’s a bad owner isn’t reason to disrespect all elderly people.
A few of the guys I used to share Sox season tickets with have shifted allegiance to the Cubs in recent years.
Today is ANOTHER glaring example of why I don’t knock them for it.
Days like today have become common place as White Sox fans. Nothing to hope for, nothing to be optimistic about, nothing to dream of…just is what it is and when the day comes maybe things will change or perhaps they are worse. Existential white sox fandom
Rosenthal with a classic:
“The Cubs had David Ross in their managerial chair and it’s unclear at this time how he will be affected.”
LoL, I think he is affected by losing his chair!
Of course, he’ll be doing the “In the Managers Corner” segment on Marquee Sports
The statistic about Liam Hendriks with more than 100 strikeouts and fewer than 10 walks is wild, and somehow escaped my notice. In case anybody was wondering (as I was) how often that has happened in baseball history, here it is:
2022 – Jacob deGrom (102 K/8 BB, 64.1 IP)
2021 – Liam Hendriks (113 K/7 BB, 71 IP)
2017 – Kenley Jansen (109 K/7 BB, 68.1 IP)
2016 – Andrew Miller (123 K/9 BB, 74.1 IP)
2013 – Koji Uehara (101 K/9 BB, 74.1 IP)
That’s it. That’s the list.
strikes vs. walks in your first sentence
Fixed, thanks.
Ummm…isn’t that the exact opposite of “wild”?
Wild like a fox.