First Pitch: White Sox vs. Guardians

TV: NBC Sports Chicago

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Jim Margalus
Jim Margalus

Writing about the White Sox for a 16th season, first here, then at South Side Sox, and now here again. Let’s talk curling.

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Shingos Cheeseburgers

For someone who spent the last six months telling us ‘just wait for them to show up’ it’s funny to see Stone sick out the day after it became clear no one was showing up.

Shingos Cheeseburgers

Knowing the team isn’t that good but hoping for the best is exactly where we were in September 2012. How far we’ve come!

Shingos Cheeseburgers

And I think they can drop the ‘Fight for the Central’ chyron

soxygen

We’re closer to a wildcard (5.5 games) than we are to Cleveland (basically 6 games back)…

As Cirensica

Seven

roke1960

I can’t root against the Sox, but the best thing for this organization would be for them to do a total faceplant in these last 14 games and finish below .500 by a pretty good margin. But even that probably wouldn’t make Jerry clean house.

asinwreck

The best thing for this organization is to remove Jerry from it as soon as possible.

roke1960

I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is, the only one who can remove Jerry is Jerry.

asinwreck

The other one is the grim reaper.

As Cirensica

Funny thing, we complained about the White Sox hitting a bunch of singles taking us nowhere. Here are the Guardians with a bunch of singles and 5 runs. Key? Athleticism. The Guardians have it, we don’t.

roke1960

Yep, many times the Sox need 4 singles to get a run. The Indians often do it with a two singles and a stolen base.

Last edited 2 months ago by roke1960
As Cirensica

People watching this series might think, the Guardians are truly good. They’re not. We are just ill equipped to face a team with the qualities the Guardians possess

soxygen

Naylor and Kwan have killed us this year from the left side, and having a catcher that can’t control the running game really hurts us.

ChiSoxND12

I think we’re almost past the era of catchers controlling the running game. Pitchers just don’t pay attention, especially Sox pitchers

Shingos Cheeseburgers

It’s kind of satisfying knowing that they really aren’t the best team in the division.

It’s not very satisfying knowing the best team in the division isn’t very good either.

soxygen

Agreed. Cleveland has had 16 players make their MLB debuts this year (their most in franchise history since 1922) and are winning the division.

Last edited 2 months ago by soxygen
soxygen

The Cleveland radio broadcast has focused a lot tonight on the Sox not being likable, not playing fundamentally sound baseball, and not playing with effort. They contrasted that with the Cubs, who are bad but play with effort.

An interesting thing is that they actually identified an individual player – they have specifically focused on Yoan Moncada. His first error set the tone early, they placed most of the blame for Vaughn’s error on Moncada, and then of course there was his second misplay at 3rd. The broadcasters used the term “lackadaisical” at one point, and also put a lot of the blame for all of the pitches Lynn threw in the first 3 innings on “Moncada’s lack of effort.”

The last time I cited Gordon Beckham saying that Moncada was “lackadaisical” one of Moncada’s defenders in the comment fields asserted that that doesn’t mean anything because his “default body language is lackadaisical”. I think at some point lackadaisical is as lackadaisical does – if everyone thinks he isn’t putting a lot of effort forth then maybe he isn’t?

I think this team needs a new 3rd baseman. I am looking forward to seeing what others do with 3rd base in the off-season plan project. But I don’t think we should be afraid to acknowledge what we actually see because, frankly, it’s pretty obvious.

SocksO’Graham

Excellent post. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Also, which dysfunctional idiot has kept Robert from being on the DL. He is out tonight because his wrist is sore from yesterday? Total joke the way they handle things.

charlie

Love you!

dongutteridge

Have you seen Moncada’s contract? You’ll be watching him in a Sox uni for at least two more years.

Last edited 2 months ago by dongutteridge
Shingos Cheeseburgers

I would much, MUCH, rather have Moncada at third then try to have the FO find a replacement via free agency for him.

JUST KIDDING the replacement would be Leury.

charlie

Hope you’re also just kidding about the first two sentences.

soxygen

I know he doesn’t have much trade value, but what is the point of fantasizing about something I can’t bear to watch?

Last edited 2 months ago by soxygen
Joliet Orange Sox

I think Moncada made a poor play on Rosario’s chopper that was ruled an infield single in the first. I could see if the Cleveland announcers talked about that play later in the game but that is not the play they kept bringing up. They instead kept bringing up Moncada’s error in the first.

The error that Moncada was charged with in the first came later in the inning with the bases loaded and one out when González hit the ball to third. Moncada grabbed it and stepped on third and threw to first and the throw bounced and hit Abreu’s glove on the scoop and then Abreu couldn’t find the ball. I was actually surprised that the error on that play was on Moncada and really surprised that that was a play the Cleveland announcers kept coming back to as an example of Moncada’s poor play. I thought it was a weird choice of all the bad plays the Sox (including Moncada) made to get hung up on as an example of a really poor play.

soxygen

They weren’t really hung up on one play. They repeatedly said that he was lackadaisical, wasn’t playing with effort, wasn’t ready to play baseball today, etc.

Anyhoo….

As Cirensica

This is an excellent comment. I insist in my theory that baseball has become for Moncada more like a hobby. I think Moncada has ‘moved on’ towards other life’s activities. Could be music, could be being a father, could be many things, but baseball is not in his mind as it used to and it is not a priority for him anymore mostly because he already got paid.

roke1960

So the key becomes finding someone who will get him to put the focus back on baseball. If he doesn’t then move on from him, no matter what the cost.

charlie

F the perceived lack of focus and commitment.
He’s just plain not good!