First Pitch: White Sox at Rangers

Globe Life Field. (Michael Barera)

TV: NBC Sports Chicago

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Augusto Barojas

At least Eloy is starting to resemble his old self. Might at least give some reason to be positive going into next year, provided they have an offseason completely unlike the past two.

soxygen

What’s not to love? He has fun, and then there’s that “effortless power”someone referred to the other day. Dingers!!!

Augusto Barojas

Moncada on the other hand… easily biggest disappointment of their position players. They really are stuck having to pay him 40+m the next 2 years. That’s just a killer. No life in his bat at all so far this year.

soxygen

That’s a lot to pay for 3rd base defense on a team that won’t pay for outfield defense!

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charlie

Another strike 3 fastball taken right down the middle by Moncada.
Can someone please get him the hell out of here!!
Why isn’t anyone throwing him against the wall and challenging him to show up!

Joliet Orange Sox

I don’t think players struggling is as simple as trying or not trying to do well. I’m surprised that I find myself in such a small minority in thinking this is complex because it seems life teaches us this over and over.

I’ve never done anything in my life that required special skill or ability like athletics or art or music or writing. I think in those fields effort is not nearly enough like it is for most of the fields we work in. Beyond needing talent, I think athletes/artists also face a huge challenge of getting in the right head space. I think finding the right balance between pushing yourself and not pressing must be incredibly hard and when you lose that balance due to injury or time off or whatever I think it must be incredibly hard to get back.

We see hints of this even in our regular lives doing things that are much easier to do than play major league baseball. I went to a selective graduate program where everyone admitted clearly had the ability to do the work expected yet fewer than 1/3 of the students admitted finished (and it was not financial issues as everyone admitted had a tuition waiver and stipend). I remember talking to classmates who were flailing and almost everyone of them seemed to missing that sweet spot between pushing themselves and not pressing. Many of them who were pressing seemed paralyzed by the pressure they put on themselves. Many of those students were constantly being told to push harder and I don’t think it helped them one bit. I think the same thing happens for MLB players but in a situation that is much less forgiving of pressing.

The common theory seems to be that Anderson, Moncada, Grandal, and others may have suddenly become lazy and uncaring after working intently to get the level of success that set our expectations so high. I think it is more likely a combination of health and pressing. I don’t know how to fix it but I do have concerns that the current coaching regime is not well-suited to fix it.

soxygen

Thanks for the thoughtful comment

Augusto Barojas

Good comment. I recall in college seeing so many people up all night studying for an exam, then taking the exam while exhausted and not doing well. There is such a thing as being lazy or not doing the work, but sometimes less is more and there is such a thing as trying too hard.

I don’t think in Grandal’s case it is pressing, I think it is age. He is a catcher, I highly doubt we will see the likes of him being productive again. He has one year left, then good riddance. With TA7 there was a bunch of off the field stuff written about him getting some woman pregnant, which could certainly be the cause of some loss of focus for him. Moncada just looks lost. Not all high level prospects make good on their potential. The only really good year he has had was 2019, though he was certainly much better last year than this one. Had they gotten Devers in that trade rather than him, this team would be looking a whole lot better. As it is, they have several weaknesses, and no major strengths. Unfortunately this team was designed with zero room for any failures, and their choosing the wrong 3b prospect from Boston will probably haunt them the rest of the years of this “window”, if this can even be considered a window at all.

funkerdan

Devers is the worst.

Augusto Barojas

I assume you are being sarcastic? There is an awful lot more to like about him than Moncada. Plus he is a lefty hitter with an OPS over 1 vs RHP, so he would be exactly what this team needs.

Of course Moncada was the higher ranked prospect at the time so you can’t fault the decision, but still. I’m sure Boston would have given up Devers instead of Moncada, in a heartbeat.

funkerdan

let’s assume I am sarcastic. either way, give me a beer.

Joliet Orange Sox

Moncada and Devers both started playing regularly the last couple months of 2017 and became regular starters in 2018. Both had great years in 2019 and really good years in 2021 (which is just last year). Prior to this season, Moncada had outproduced Devers with 12.6 total bWAR to 10.8 total bWAR over their careers of very similar length.

Devers has clearly had a much better 2022 but Moncada had been the better player prior to this year.

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Augusto Barojas

I know he isn’t good defensively but he must be really, really bad in the field to have had a WAR below Moncada last year since he torched Yoan offensively by a mile. Still I love his bat, and wish Yoan had one.

charlie

Come on, Devers is Jose Ramirez-like.
Moncada has been awful for far too long.

Joliet Orange Sox

This is recency bias. Moncada is at sea right now at the plate and none of us are enjoying watching it.

The weird thing to me is that Moncada bashing existed even prior to his miserable 2022 season. There was (and is) a significant portion of the fan base that spouted off about Moncada having a bad year in 2021 when he produced 4.0 bWAR. For context, Paul Konerko only produced more than 4.0 bWAR in one season of his career (he did have a second season at exactly 4.0 bWAR), Harold Baines also only had only one season when he produced more than 4.0 bWAR, and Ozzie Guillén never had a season that productive. Konerko, Baines,and Guillén never had a season as productive as Moncada’s 5.2 bWAR in 2019.

I think this is a result of Moncada being acquired in the Chris Sale trade as a highly-touted prospect (although never the number one prospect in baseball).

soxygen

He’s a player about whom reasonable people can disagree – a low ISO corner infielder whose value in the past has depended a lot on drawing walks, who looks great on the hardest plays in the field but sometimes struggles with easy plays…even a lot of advanced metrics disagree about Moncada’s value. For example, WPA statistics really don’t like him…he often scores poorly on measures of “clutchness”…All just to say that I have come to accept that opinions about him vary a lot and everyone can probably find support for their opinion in the numbers.

charlie

Moncada has looked lost for far too long. He’s one of the worst hitters in baseball. But as long as he’s here it’s ok for teammates to express frustration and say ‘come on man swing the bat!’
He makes no adjustments and is allowed by the entire organization to continually get away with this horrific lack of accountability.

Right Size Wrong Shape

You’ve got a problem with the yellow shoes, right?

I think even Moncada bashers love the yellow shoes.

a-t

dinger good. more please

Adam

A team that can’t score, plays terrible defense, and walks everybody has to be the trifecta of a terrible viewing experience.

soxygen

And of course we also have Matt Foster, who is like maraschino cherry on top of our boring baseball sundae.

As Cirensica

Lucas kinda shakey today.

soxygen

True to form, the Sox are going to win today and earn the split. It feels like they do this to deny us the pleasure of writing them off.

Adam

Jays also leading the twins. Keep us just close enough to say “there’s a chance…”

Adam

Lately it seems Leury Garcia has been much better now that he’s been returned to his natural habitat as a utility guy. A 5 million dollar one but at least he’s been better

As Cirensica

Lots of hits today, and Moncada is a homer, a triple, a double, and a single shy of the cycle.

soxygen

Lambert has been a pleasant surprise this year

soxygen

Twinkies tied it up in the 9th

Adam

Twins lose!