Mark Buehrle survives toughest year on Hall of Fame ballot
For better or for worse, there were no surprises in Tuesday’s Hall of Fame voting results. David Ortiz took a hit from his public ballot percentage to private, but still managed to clear the 75-percent threshold with a couple points to spare. The guy who best embodied the Red Sox’s revival gained entry into Cooperstown on his first ballot with 77.9 percent of the vote.
He has no company, at least among the ballot dealt with by the Baseball Writers Association of America. Barry Bonds (66 percent), Roger Clemens (65.2) and Scott Rolen (63.2) all finished in the 60s, but Rolen is the only one for whom that represents progress, rather than the last stop. Bonds and Clemens are off the ballot, as well as Curt Schilling (58.6) and Sammy Sosa (18.5), all of whom came up short in their 10th and final year of eligibility.
There are other encouraging developments down the line, but regarding players within our purview, Mark Buehrle getting 5.8 percent of the vote is the biggest. A player needed 20 votes to clear 5 percent and remain eligible for next year’s ballot, and Buehrle received 23.
It’s a blow in terms of year-to-year progress, as it’s just about half of the support he garnered in his first year. Then again, this year figured to be a giant mess, what with the glut of controversial candidates getting their last chance, Ortiz likely to be on most ballots, and Alex Rodriguez messing things up the only way he can. Depending on their attitudes, voters could easily come up with 10 worthy names before getting to Buehrle.
The picture clears up considerably next year. Five players with HOF-worthy numbers are leaving the ballot, and Carlos Beltran is the only new guy who has such a case. Beneath Buehrle, Joe Nathan (4.3) and Tim Hudson (3.0) fell off the ballot. That leaves Billy Wagner (46.4) and Andy Pettitte (13.7) as the only other pitchers on the ballot. Wagner won’t be compared directly to Buehrle — although with 2,300 innings separating them, he should be — and Pettitte has his own PED baggage that suppresses his case.
There won’t be a pitcher with a better argument for election until CC Sabathia in 2025, so Buehrle has an opening to make an argument for refreshed starting pitcher standards. And with Bonds and Clemens off the ballot, there will be enough oxygen to sustain one.
Here’s the year-to-year chart:
Player | 2021 | 2022 | Change |
---|---|---|---|
David Ortiz | n/a | 77.9 | n/a |
Barry Bonds | 61.8 | 66.0 | 4.2 |
Roger Clemens | 61.6 | 65.2 | 3.6 |
Scott Rolen | 52.9 | 63.2 | 10.3 |
Curt Schilling | 71.1 | 58.6 | -12.5 |
Todd Helton | 44.9 | 52.0 | 7.1 |
Billy Wagner | 46.4 | 51.0 | 4.6 |
Andruw Jones | 33.9 | 41.1 | 7.2 |
Gary Sheffield | 40.6 | 40.6 | 0 |
Alex Rodriguez | n/a | 34.3 | n/a |
Jeff Kent | 32.4 | 32.7 | 0.3 |
Manny Ramirez | 28.2 | 28.9 | 0.7 |
Omar Vizquel | 49.1 | 23.9 | -25.2 |
Sammy Sosa | 17.0 | 18.5 | 1.5 |
Andy Pettitte | 13.7 | 10.7 | -3.0 |
Jimmy Rollins | n/a | 9.4 | n/a |
Bobby Abreu | 8.7 | 8.6 | -0.1 |
Mark Buehrle | 11.0 | 5.8 | -5.2 |
Torii Hunter | 9.5 | 5.3 | -4.2 |
Everybody else failed to clear 5 percent. A.J. Pierzynski received two votes, which seems appropriate for a player who managed to be so memorable.
The exclusion of Bonds and Clemens has a lot of fans fuming, and there’s a big-picture reason to be miffed. It’s weird to have a Hall of Fame that excludes the sport’s best player ever, as well as one of its best pitchers. It’s also strange that the Hall of Fame ushered in figures like Bud Selig and Tony La Russa, both of whom profited from the era’s excesses, only to shut the door on some players who actually provided the supercharged product. For those like me who became fans of baseball during the time because I happened to be born in the 1980s, it’s dumb and counterproductive to pretend like the era irreparably damaged the game.
Alas, the situation is such that there is no naturally hospitable electorate for them. Throw bricks at the BBWAA all you want, but a cross-section of fans wouldn’t support them at a 75-percent clip, and neither would living Hall of Famers, at least if there are as many Frank Thomases are there are Mike Schmidts. The museum itself has already made its opinion known, putting the thumb on the scale by reducing their eligibility from 15 years to 10 despite objections from the BBWAA. It doesn’t seem like it’s going to go out of the way to form committees that give them a generous hearing.
Bonds and Clemens could have made plenty of better choices on and off the field. The game’s leadership could have done more to address the problem as it happened while defending its best players, rather than letting the spectacle get out of hand, then throwing the players to the wolves when Congress came calling. Instead, all parties involved pursued their self-interest to such severe degrees. Some players unlocked paths to insane stats, while the league stumbled upon a wedge issue that weakened the MLBPA. A lot of voters chose cognitive dissonance across decades, not thinking enough of PED usage to investigate it while it happened, but hammering players merely suspected of it afterward. You can even include Schilling, who would’ve been in years ago had he not been so enthusiastic about poisoning his brain. So here we are.
With the ballot’s biggest mess behind it, the museum is probably banking on any one player’s absence being overstated, and it’s probably correct. Theoretically, it’s fundamentally wrong to have a Baseball Hall of Fame without Barry Bonds, but baseball is a local pursuit at heart, Bonds is not a naturally sympathetic figure, and it’s going to be damn near impossible for future players to fall into his fate.
Let’s bring the discussion back to Buehrle. Say there’s a tectonic shift in how voters approach starting pitching, and Buehrle’s support shoots from 5.8 percent in 2022 to 75.8 percent in 2023. Is the honor any cheaper because Clemens isn’t there first? Maybe in a scholarly sense, but the Venn diagram of baseball fans invested in both pitchers probably only overlaps a sliver. Just like Harold Baines’ surprise induction, whatever part of my brain objects to the order of things will eventually be overruled by the part that says it’s silly to shoot down a reason to hold a party.
Likewise, the people following the upward marches of Scott Rolen, Todd Helton and Andruw Jones won’t be all that irked that Bonds isn’t there to meet them. The number of fans grousing will be grossly outnumbered by the fans who want to celebrate, and the Hall makes its money off the later. It’s as cynical as it is romantic, and now I better understand why the Field of Dreams Game was such a success.
Ortiz had the 16th best career bWar on the ballot. Does that matter?
Probably not in this case. DH penalty, 500 homers, three World Series rings, no decline phase.
If guy’s aren’t getting in based on innuendo, then no decline seems suspicious.
Iโm fine with Bonds and Clemens being left out. Youโre right about inconsistencies, but I can live with that. They clearly are two of the best to ever play the gameโeven without steroids. Thatโs immutable.
But Iโve never thought of the HOF as just โthe best to play the gameโ but more like โthose who made extraordinary, positive impacts on the game.โ That’s usually by being an exceptional player, but not always. Thatโs why someone like Buck OโNeil, who wouldnโt make it on stats alone, is worthy of entry. If Buckโs positive contributions are worth including despite the lack of exceptional stats, Iโm comfortable with counting Bondsโ and Clemensโ negative contributions as worthy of exclusion despite the existence of exceptional stats.
The issue with that approach is that it gets relativistic in a hurry. Dick Allen hadn’t been considered a positive contributor to the game until recently, when people started exploring who considered him a negative contributor and why.
True, but questionable decisions just seem unavoidable. If we just use fWAR or whatever, we’ll still have snubs and others get in (e.g., Schilling? Vizquel?) that probably shouldn’t. The positive impacts approach is, I think, a better vision for what the HOF should be, even if it’s imperfect in the pursuit of that ideal.
Either way, the HOF could use clarification as to what the vision is. Again, the voters surely won’t be perfect in carrying it out. But that seems like a disconnect, currently.
I donโt think a moral gatekeeping approach works; do you go back and kick Cap Anson out, or is it more useful to provide context alongside his achievements? And like Jim says, times and standards change.
If they are good enough they should be in. Schilling, as awful a human being as he is, was a good enough player, so he should be in, next to his sock.
How can we reconcile being in disgust that the Houston Astros cheated, but it is OK for PEDs players (also cheaters) to populate the HoF? I am OK with Bonds, Clemens, etc being in the HoF (just disclose their blemishes prominently), but I find myself being a hypocrite when thinking that the cheating Astros should be punished.
I don’t think it’s straightforward moral gatekeeping. And it’s not just about morality. If a dude cheats on his wife, I don’t think that should keep him out, for example. But Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens have had, I think, a significant negative impact on the game. Granted, that’s difficult to prove, but I don’t think it’s a stretch.
A good thought experiment would be: what if there was an excellent, HOF caliber player from the 30’s, but one who demonstrably worked, to some effect, to keep baseball segregated. Would you be okay with the veteran’s committee voting them in?
I can’t speak to Anson, but I’ve already admitted there will be inconsistencies. But, again, that’s unavoidable. That would happen if we used JAWS, too.
I disagree with this premise they had a negative impact on the game. Watching Bonds hit was exciting. Watching Shilling with the Dbacks and the Red Sox was amazing. NY vs NY world series was awesome, and Clemens was a big reason why. Essentially Bonds and Clemens get punished for being too good with steroids. While Bagwell, Piazza, and Ortiz (all have clouds over their heads too) get in because they weren’t too over the top.
Setting aside whether or not they’ve had a negative impact, my point is that having a negative impact is enough to leave someone off of a HOF ballot. So, whether or not we agree on the particulars, I’m arguing for a principle.
That said, I do think Bonds and Clemens had a negative impact on the game. It’s debatable, of course, whether that outweighs their positive impact. It’s Astros-ish, except in this case the effects of their cheating are virtually undeniable. But to take the Astros as a test case: it questions the integrity of the game. And, no matter how fun those Astros teams were to watch, that does have a corrosive effect.
Just curious: do you think the ’17-’19 Astros have had a negative impact on the game? Those teams were fun to watch, too.
Nope. I doubt anyone stopped watching baseball because of sign stealing.
Tony LaRussa has overseen rampant steroid use and teams accused of stealing signs, but he’s in the HOF. Funny how managers, owners, and even the commissioner have zero responsibility for “negative” impacts to the game.
Just because no one stopped watching baseball because of it doesn’t mean it didn’t have a negative impact on the game.
And, as I’ve repeated a few times, I agree that there are plenty of HOFers who did have a negative impact on the game. But I’ve also said that any principle for voting will include inconsistencies.
I’d like to note that Bud Selling is in the HOF. Cue Benny Hill music.
Yeah, as I said, inconsistencies. But as the saying goes, “two wrongs don’t make a right.” The best way forward is to articulate a good vision for HOF voting and stick to it, not pick the standard that best represents who is already in the Hall.
I think they should just let Jay Jaffe and Joe Posnanski hash it out every year. Canโt be a worse system.
Of note on Suzuki:::::::::
Nikkanโs report suggests that the Padres, Cubs, Mariners and Giants are โexpectedโ to be among the finalists for Suzuki once negotiations resume. Thatโs not an exhaustive list, but itโs worth noting that all four host their Spring Training in Arizona, particularly given this reportโs implication that teams with Spring Training camps in Florida may be at a disadvantage when it comes to negotiating with Suzuki. If thatโs indeed the case, itโd be a welcome preference for the four โexpectedโ finalists and the Rangers โ whoโve also been tied to Suzuki thus far. The Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays โ each of whom hosts Spring Training in Florida โ have all been linked to Suzuki as well, however, and Yahoo Japan suggests the Red Sox could be an early favorite (although it seems dubious to crown any kind of front-runner after just nine days of talks and before Suzuki has had a single in-person meeting).
If it’s true that the Sox aren’t even kicking the tires, I’m really disappointed.
They have not kicked the tired on anybody the past two winters. The effort these past two winters of Sox ownership has been a disgrace to a great fanbase who supports them.
As a beleaguered fan, I want to assure you the Sox have most assuredly kicked the tired the past two winters.
I’ve decided Buehrle is too cool for the HOF.
I suppose the glass half full way to look at this is to consider Jimโs point that Buehrle survived what might be his toughest year on the ballot. What disappoints me is that although he may very well gain some votes moving forward, his support dropped by half from a year ago. What is that all about? I donโt think heโs getting in from the bwaa, but this years numbers compared to last year raises a red flag for me.
I guess itโs moot because I donโt expect him to be voted in by BWAA anyway, but every year there are new glaring examples of how fickle many of these writers seem to be.
I know they are limited to ten selections per ballot, but who is voting for Buehrle last year and not this year? And why? I have more respect for the writers that omitted him twice than the writers that said he was good enough a year ago, but not now.
Is there someone who says โyeah I voted for Buehrle a year ago, but not this year because I can only check ten boxes and this was the last year for several guys I never decided to include until nowโ ? Total garbage.
That being said, a writer is totally allowed (and encouraged in MBโs case!) to change their mind about players worthiness during their eligibility period, but there are clearly many manipulative games being played by so many of these writers.
In Buehrleโs case, I think he might have received some votes last year from writers that truly didnโt believe him to be worthy of the HOF, but have some sort of affinity towards him so they wanted to avoid him being removed from the ballot in his first year. And thatโs garbage too.
Same goes for the ones who wholeheartedly agree on player X being a HOFer, but refuse to vote for them in their first year of eligibility because thatโs a special club that theyโd prefer to exclude player x from if they can. For whatever reason.
The thought process admittedly employed by many of these writers is kind of shameful to me. The induction process as it stands, is pretty awful.
Sorry that was so long and thanks to anyone that actually read it.
Hey man all we got is time since there’s no real baseball news right now.
I think Buehrle lost votes were people voting for the same none Buehrle nine and giving the Buehrle vote to Ortiz.
The guy that averaged under 10 home runs a year for his first six years in the league, then tested positive for something, hits 500+ home runs with zero aging decline makes HOF on first try.
Only member of the 400 and/or 500 club is not allowed in.
Ortiz cleared 30 homers in the minors twice with Minnesota. They badly botched that part of his career.
He should’ve never left Seattle.
It’s misleading to talk as if Ortiz played 6 full seasons for the Twins. His first season was a cup of coffee as he debuted in September as a 21-year-old. He played more during his second season but only had 25 plate appearances in his third season (as a 23-year-old). Over the six seasons he was with the Twins, he played in a total of 455 games. He was still abritration-eligible when the Twins chose to non-tender him.
I know some other players have had great success after being non-tendered (I think Justin Turner is an example) but Ortiz has to be at (or very close to) the top of the list for success after being non-tendered.
I think JD martinez was non tendered or released too… by a real bad astros team that was rebuilding
The point is there can be an argument of suspicion for most players from that era. Most players don’t go from being non-tendered at 27 to top 5 MVP voting the following year. His age 40 season was one of his best.
I think Ortiz should be in the hall. I just find in hypocritical for writers to pick which red flags to ignore for which players.
Suspicion isn’t enoughโespecially when his success came in a post-crackdown era. The evidence around Ortiz is circumstantial. The jump in production after switching teams is rare, but not that rare. And while it doesn’t explain the jump entirely, Fenway is a lot more friendly to LH power hitters than Minnesota.
How many players have the 3rd best season of their career at the age of 40? The evidence is ALL circumstantial before the league tested. You are just choosing which players you prefer to pin it to.
“Before the league tested” is a key phrase. I’m not arbitrarily picking players who should or shouldn’t be punished for it. My rule is clear and easy: players proven to have taken steriods after the crackdown should be punished for it.
So, circumstantial evidence isn’t enough and there’s leniency for players who used before the league clarified and enforced.
You could compare it to using foreign substances while pitching. First, I wouldnโt punish a player whose spin rate went way up year-to-year. That may be suspicious, but itโs not enough to punish. Theyโd have to be caught. Second, I wouldnโt punish a player using foreign substances 5 years ago. That seems like a reasonable rule to apply to any form of on-field cheating.
How many drug tests from the MLB did Bonds and Clemens fail combined? Zero
By your own rule, they should be in.
My rule doesnโt say anything about failed drug tests. If I recall correctly, the MLB started to crackdown in the early 2000s. But then failed tests were anonymous, I think. If I recall correctly, Bonds was discovered to be using PEDs as late as 2004โand then perjured himself about it.
Iโd put the โcrackdownโ at somewhere around 2000-2002. And we have proof that Bonds/Clemens used after that time. So, by my rule, theyโd both be out.