2019 MLB Draft: Day 2 Draftchat
The second day of the MLB draft covers the third through 10th rounds starting at 11:30 a.m. CT, and you can watch the live stream on MLB.com.
The list of best available players is just about entirely composed of prep players, and with the White Sox already selecting one in the second round, they might not be a great candidate for going well over slot.
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Hoping for Tyler Callihan in round 3.
Maybe the most illuminating interview with Vaughn was this discussion about his swing with Eric Byrnes during his freshman year.
Didn’t get Abrams. So I’ll hope for development project, athletic, up the middle high schooler Jamari Baylor.
I like Jamari.
Is it better than Jumanji?
Stinson, high upside power lefty…. try him as a starter, could be a hader like future reliever
Would have to see those medicals. Fastball was in the mid 80’s and they shut him down after 5 starts.
it was a leg injury though
says the Duke coaching staff.
They pick prep pitcher Andrew Dalquist at 81.
God knows we need to add pitching. Two young arms.
The third round pick is another prep arm, SoCal RHP Andrew Dalquist. Arizona commit.
Who are we going to pick in the fourth round? I’m tingling!
From Fan graphs “Rumored $2M pricetag on Dalquist.”
I actually like this pick. He is projectable instead of a reclamation project (unlike Thompson). Also best secondary is a curveball with spin rate. That shows some advanced scouting ability, and aligns with current trends.
I’m pumped about the pick. I cant imagine they spend the 3rd rounder if they dont think they can sign him. He is a legit prep prospect that many thought would end up in College. It would be cool to steal him away.
So that’s back to back high school pitchers who might not even be able to hit 90 mph currently? Gotta imagine it’s going to be tough to get either of them to break a college commitment.
Ever since they instituted draft pools, teams typically know they can sign a player when they draft him, at least in the first 10 rounds.
2 mil ask on the 750 slot…. thats a pretty big gap but I agree I find it hard to believe the sox wouldnt have explored the numbers with a night to work on their 3rd round board
Sox can go $750k over without incurring future penalties. Finding another $500k shouldn’t be that tough.
oh gotcha, that makes me feel very confident this guy is signing
Especially drafting College Seniors 5th-7th rounds so far. $10 K to each = $30 K
Total bonus values for those three picks: $394,300 + $296,400 + $231,100 = $921,800
$921,800 – $30,000 = $891,800
Add that to the third round slot which is $755,300 and the White Sox theoretically have $1,647,100 for Andrew Dalquist if they go full slot for Andrew Vaughn and Matthew Thompson.
*5th through 8th rounds.
Plus up to 5% over the pool allotment with only fines. About 580,000.00
Yeah. Don’t know how I got 750
Might be 5th – 10th rounds at this rate
using 36 rounds on org filler would be an “interesting” strategy.
They will offer some 100K+ bonuses after the 10th round.
they said it was a shallow draft.
Ah thanks.
Scouting seems to have both guys as currently low-90s up to mid-90s. They’re high school kids, if they were consistently 94 with the secondary stuff they already have we wouldn’t be picking them in the 2nd or 3rd round, they’d go in round 1. As they mature physically with professional S&C, you hope the endurance and start-to-start consistency will come. But at least you know they can actually already throw mid-90s.
Hmmm where are you seeing that? I must be looking in the wrong place, I’m seeing Thompson as working 89-90 mph this year, with Dalquist topping out at 90 mph. But I’ll admit I’ve looked at maybe 2 website’s reports on them.
MLB: “Thompson announced his presence by reaching 95 mph as a rising junior at the World Wood Bat Association World Championship in 2017 and remains one of the hardest throwers in this year’s prep class, though he has lacked consistency this spring. Thompson has an ultra-quick arm and an athletic delivery that produces low-90s fastballs with a maximum velocity of 96 mph when he’s at his best, though he also has worked at 89-90 at times this year.”
You cherry-picked the bad part.
Also MLB on Dalquist: “After sitting in the upper 80s with his fastball in the past, Dalquist now operates at 91-93 mph and reaches 95 with the promise of more velocity to come.”
Nothing wrong with taking a chance on high upside,high school arms. Though it does not seem very White Sox “like”.
Good find on Dalquist, thanks. I must have been looking at an old report there.
I don’t think it’s cherry picking to mention on Thompson that he’s had problems getting above 89-90 mph this year though. Especially when our track record with fixing broken pitchers (i.e. Hansen) isn’t great. Hopefully I’m wrong. BA seemed pretty concerned about it.
I was mostly just poking at you, but leaving off the “at times” kind of changes the narrative a bit.
Heh oops I somehow missed the “at times” this year in both of my readings of this report, both originally and when you posted it above. Maybe I just want to assume that everything is awful always with this org!
Most of what I have seen has said Thompson’s been inconsistent. So some days he’s throwing 93, other times 89. But his problem isn’t “has no idea where it’s going” and his secondary stuff sounds pretty good for a HS guy, which is why I have some hope that maturing physically along with being a professional with strength and conditioning programs set out for him might be able to help him pitch to his potential even if he doesn’t fill out/add muscle. And you can see potential for adding a couple ticks and sitting 94, 95 with the frame and arms if he does add some strength.
I still think Hansen was worth the shot. Swing for the fences, it was a possible top 10 pick-level guy if you could fix whatever had been wrong with him, and for a while it seemed like they had.
“2B” Tyler Callihan goes to the Reds.
Breaks my heart.
For us old-timers, Rodney McCray’s son just went to the Giants.
Hope he doesn’t take after his dad when it comes to fences.
Kool-Aid Man explosive wall-breaking is the sixth tool.
Then sign up the drunk demolition guy in that youtube video.
Mets are daring Allan not to sign.
I suspect they had conversations last night/this morning about his asking price.
Ryan Feferjahn / RHP- Kansas , and
Ryan Pepiot RHP/ Butler
look like the best pitchers still around this morning.
both gone now.
Red Sox getting highly-rated talent despite getting booted out of the 1st round.
Whoa, and they took Noah Song at the end of the 4th round.
Does the Red Sox owner know Trump?
John Henry is not a fan. Jaxx Groshans is the next Boston selection. Dombrowski’s having an interesting draft.
Pretty sure Jaxx Groshans is the new Star Wars villain.
…and the Mets just took a senior in the 4th round, so that ought to open up some money. If Baty signs under slot, that frees more.
If I had to guess one team a prep arm wouldn’t want to go to, have to think the Mets are up there. Maybe one of his demands was that they replace their whole medical staff.
Too bad for their current Doctor
Dr. Vinnie Boombatz.
Wanna know how I feel old?
There are guys getting drafted today who were born after 9/11 happened…
The darren baker being a teammate of Vaughn got me feeling ancient
Jake Sanford goes to the Yankees, hampering my desire to root for him.
Mike Massey( Sox Fan) now a Royal.
6.21 60 yard effort for Beard
I was really hoping we would get Sanford. He will probably now end up being Judge 2.0.
Yeah, agreed on both your hopes and fears. One of the most interesting prospects in this draft.
Sox playing both ends against the middle. First they draft the slowest player, then the fastest player.
Local infielder Michael Massey goes to Kansas City in the 4th, then the Sox take gourmet chef and speedy outfielder James Beard.
I make a James Beard lasagna that is out of this world. It’s our go-to dish for special occasions. And we break it out for things like “Tuesday.”
So…. tonight?
Unfortunately not this particular Tuesday. I have a meeting this afternoon.
Recipe!
Sox take prep CF James Beard out of Mississippi at 110.
3rd consecutive prep pick.
Wonder how he compares to Cabera Weaver as blazing fast CF types? It sounds like his swing needs less work than Weaver’s.
Callis says Beard is the fastest player in the draft.
Good test for the development staff.
If nothing else we’ll get to answer that question!
Delicious
I’m reading the MLB scouting report and my takeaway is something like Adam Engel with the potential for an average hit tool. That would be good, right?
More like Billy Hamilton with an average hit tool from what I read. He is faster than Engel.
Tampa takes Graeme Stinson in the 4th. Disappointing spring for him.
Cleveland’s getting some athletic prep shortstops in Yordys Valdes and Christian Cairo.
140 – LHP Dan Metzdorf out of Boston College.
MLB guys don’t even know who he is.
Senior sign. Save money.
Yup. Better allows you to sign some of the prep guys overslot.
Disagree.
Clearly Sox are proactively protecting themselves from having to someday face another soft tossing lefty.
senior sign, “here’s a 100,000.Kid”
more like 15,000
He throws strikes. 76 innings, 65 strike outs, 56 hits, 28 walks.
1.15 Whip
He did take a big step forward statistically his senior year. But even that wasn’t super impressive.
Who’s the Royals area scout in Illinois? They took John Rave in the 5th. Sox then followed with Dan Metzdorf, a guy who may allow James Beard to get over-slot money.
I live down in Bloomington and have seen him play. Not a bad project/upside pick.
Royals honed in on Illinois talent this draft. Their area scout definitely had the director’s ear this year.
Here’s how Carlos Collazo from BA describes Metzdorf:
“Undersized lefty 86-89 mostly, but touched 93 late in the season. 2.58 ERA this Spring.”
Fangraphs describes him simply as, “a senior who probably makes financial puzzle pieces fit with Andrew Dalquist…low slot lefty with fringe velo, sweeping slider.”
Brown, Hunter
Wayne State (MI)
P
R/R, still available/ MlB has him at #89
and gone…
Pirates take plus-plus presidential name Grant Ford.
In the 6th round the Sox select reliever Samuel “Grover” Cleveland who negotiates into his contract that they pitch him only on non-consecutive days.
I love it when the Sox draft thread devolves into U.S. history nerdiness.
Grampa’s Grover Cleveland spanking comment is still one of my favorite Simpsons jokes of all-time. I will forever have that reference holstered and ready to go.
What about Mr. Burns’ mother having an affair with William Howard Taft?
Taft, you dog
That show was full of excellent presidential references. Zombie George Washington was also great.
George & Barbara Bush living across the street from the Simpsons.
Grampa beating up JFK during WWII.
The rapping Abe Lincoln robot from Duff Gardens (and the George Washington robot that turned into the Terminator after Bart pantsed it).
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies underrated movie – haven’t read the book.
My favorite Grover Cleveland joke is from Archer. Something like:
“God, how old is that watch?”
“It’s an old family heirloom.”
“Grover Cleveland called, he said he wants his watch back. He left two, non consecutive messages.”
Jalen Greer from St. Rita goes to Oakland.
Ed Farmer takes a bow.
That’s 3 innings of content for tonight.
In the sixth round, the Sox take lefty pitcher Avery Weems from Arizona.
Jonathan Mayo says his fastball touches 91, so he’ll be donating a lot of his signing bonus to the high schoolers drafted earlier.
Relief pitcher probably
It touches 91 then screams “damn that’s hot” and scampers back into the 80s.
170 – RHP Avery Weems from Arizona.
Another senior pick.
Scratch that. LHP Avery Weems.
He bats righty.
Quite worryingly, Sox now 6 rounds deep without a single Zack.
And No, 2 Andrews does not cut it.
And a Zack went 2 picks after the Sox in Round 7. Somebody is asleep at the wheel.
Do the Rangers know that players from outside of Texas are eligible for the draft?
If someone’s entire draft strategy was just take high schoolers from Texas and Georgia they’d probably do very well.
The Braves certainly focus a lot on Georgia (and uncover some fine talent, like Jason Hayward). It’s just funny that even New Mexico’s Justin Slaten was a Texas HS pitcher.
…and the Rangers deviate in the 8th, taking a guy from Punxsutawney! (Though Groundhog Day was set in Punxsutawney, it was filmed in McHenry County.)
you can say that again!
If they’re like other people who live in Texas, “outside of Texas” is not a real thing.
Mariners have a refreshing treat in the 6th round with Michael Limoncelli.
Cubs took vaunted prep catching prospect Ethan Hearn in the sixth.
With the 200th pick of the draft, the Sox take RHP Karan Patel from Texas-San Antonio.
Callis: Sox have “good Trackman data” on Patel.
Is it tracking his expected signing bonus?
Tracking to below slot, methinks.
“Dat’s da joke” – McBaine
It’s got a real heavy sink
Is he Indian?
From his college bio: “Son of Kuldeep and Deepali Patel … played cricket for the U.S. National Team.” I’d like to see his bowling form in cricket to compare it to his delivery.
from 5/19/19
Patel struck out a career-high 13 batters in 8.0 innings of work in the Roadrunners (25-27, 12-15 C-USA) win. He has fanned 102 hitters this season.
200 – RHP Karan Patel out of UT – San Antonio.
Another senior.
I guess those three High School kids are going to get a lot of over slot bonus money.
Or personalized gift bags!
Really not sure about throwing away 3 of their top 7 picks like that. The High Schoolers they’ve gotten so far aren’t that impressive.
Your offense is only as good as your bullpen. Sox want as many bullpen options as they can find.
2 have Low K rates, two from 3rd tier programs, 2 sit in the low 90’s or worse, 2 are 6′ or under.
Don’t see much “future ‘pen arm” here.
Obligatory: Mark Buehrle
This isn’t really an intellectually honest comment or anything but I’ve got nothing better to do with my time at this very moment.
Short pitchers who throw upper 80’s is the new market inefficiency.
Having trouble seeing the connection.
Are you comparing Soroka to the College seniors, or the High School kids who look to be signing over slot?
The point may be that you can’t have one without the other. Right? You can “throw away” later picks but that doesn’t net as much (enough?) money.
Soroka signed for slot. The Braves didn’t throw away picks to sign him.
The Sox are throwing away 3 of their top 7 picks for some HS kids that don’t excite me enough to warrant throwing away 3 of their top 7 picks.
The point is, we all know next to nothing about these kids. I’m guessing you, like I, hadn’t heard of any of these HS guys before a couple hours ago. Let’s not act like we know anything about how good they’re going to be. The Sox obviously like them a bit more than the scouting services we have access to. It’s not like they’re unranked guys, they all seem to be rated pretty decently across the sites I’m seeing.
Thank you. This is exactly my point.
It was in response to your comment that the high schoolers they’ve taken aren’t that impressive. I’m guessing the Sox like them a lot based on what they’re doing, just like the Braves obviously liked Soroka a lot.
Patel put up pretty good numbers his senior year at least.
You also can’t assume all the saved slot money is for the 2nd and 3rd round guys. Could also be for day 3 picks with higher risk of not signing (like Bryce Bush).
Except, if I’m not mistaken, there’s pretty clear upper limit for how much Day 3 picks can get over slot, and it’s relatively easy to clear that space earlier in the draft.
I don’t believe there’s a limit. Any day 3 player who signs for over $100K has the excess count against the overall pool. No individual limit.
Looks to me in retrospect like the Sox have known they were going to do this for a while. Hoestetler kept saying he didnt think it was a deep draft. now that we’ve seen the picks, looks like he was telling us they were gonna throw away some quality picks in order to nut their budget on the top few guys
Andrew Vaughn’s teammate Jared Horn goes to Colorado. Cal-Berkeley’s having a good draft.
Great name alert: D-Backs select 1B Spencer Brickhouse, who is of course 6’4”, 235 lbs.
I knew we needed a catcher for all these pitchers!
Northwestern’s Nick Paciorek goes to (ugh) the Yankees.
Wimpy Jr?
I don’t think they’re related.
Indeed they are. He is Wimpy’s nephew.
Which brother, John?
the kid is from California. Gibby had dinner with him and Wimpy when he arrived for school(as a catcher)
In the 8th, the Sox take senior West Virgina catcher Ivan Gonzalez.
OMG, the Orioles drafted a guy named Connor Gillispie.
And he’s not smiling in his picture.
In the day’s penultimate round, the cavalcade of seniors continues: Tyson Messer, RHP fron Campbell University.
Callis on Messer: plus fastball, plus curve, needs to throw more strikes.
The question now becomes whether they even have these guys report. Just send the $10,000 and a signed jersey, you know?
Somebody’s gotta play at Great Falls. But we’ll see who the Sox take in the 11th and 12th tomorrow.
They have drafted enough seniors to fill the stagecoach between Spokane and Great Falls.
This is the 9th round. Still one more to go.
He said penultimate
Illinois State’s Brent Headrick goes to the Twins.
Cubs pick Tyler Schlaffer from Homewood Flossmoor HS. Does Jason Benetti have a scouting report on him?
The Sox’s ultimate pick of the day is RHP Nate Pawelczyk. He’s only 21, and has a name that will earn him a rooting section in Chicago. Callis says he has a history of throwing strikes and will start as a starter.
UIC’s Scott Ota goes to the Mets.
…and UIUC’s Jack Yalowitz goes to the Rockies.
I like the prep picks. Looks like the Sox wanted to go the prep route, but were too enticed by Vaughn’s bat to select Abrams. Probably the right move. The prep picks should be coming into form when some of the current core pieces start hitting free agency.
6 straight College Seniors. Yeesh! those high schoolers now better be worth it. Wow.
I like the gambit. I hope these particular players were worth it. Only time will tell.
I love the quality of the comments today.
I was gone for a lot of the afternoon, returned home, looked at the picks and then read the comments. Now I’m hoping the Sox can play as well today as all of you commented.
you’re lucky we even perform for you!
(What’s for supper?)