Nobody can accuse the White Sox of playing their pursuit of Manny Machado too close to the vest.
After going out of their way to acquire Manny Machado’s brother-in-law, Bob Nightengale says the White Sox have signed another member of Machado’s crew in outfielder Jon Jay.
The deal is for one year and $4 million, which would make him the highest-paid White Sox outfielder thus far.
Ken Rosenthal and Robert Murray of The Athletic were the first to report the pursuit of Jay. I didn’t realize it initially, but those familiar with Machado or having the immediate inclination to Google such things found this article about Machado, Alonso and Jay’s Miami baseball brotherhood in The Players’ Tribune.
Here’s how that opens:
For Jon, Yonder and I, Miami means family, good friends, culture and … baseball.
Each winter we meet up in our hometown and we go to work. We laugh a lot, too, and have fun together. At the end of the day, though, we’re there to put in work and to get better at baseball.
We do it for ourselves, of course, and for the love of the game. But we also do it for the city we call home, this place we each love. We want to be the best. We want to make Miami proud.
Whether Jay makes real sense in baseball terms for the White Sox comes down to whether he can play any center. He can be a sturdy fourth outfielder if so, because he gets on base at an above-average rate and played right field well enough to garner Gold Glove consideration with Arizona last year after his trade from Kansas City. However, he made only 25 of his 118 appearances in center during the 2018 season.
Like Alonso, he’d be another seemingly low-upside use of a roster spot if this is all there is. But as is the case with Alonso, the baseball skills are a secondary consideration as long as a particular bigger deal remains a possibility. While I’d hoped to see the White Sox use their vacant MLB roster spots to give blocked prospects a chance to audition, using them instead to recruit the game’s biggest free agent falls within the ends justifying the means.
Given the Sox’ lack of MLB-caliber outfielders — especially ones who can defend a corner — the Sox can live with any Jay treaty if it ends up facilitating commerce with Machado.
Here’s hoping the Jay treaty works out far better than Jay’s Treaty
They have Y(onder) and (Jay-)Z. They’re two-thirds of the way to a real affair.
If the Sox don’t get Machado, there’s going to be a Quasi War during the town hall meetings at Sox Fest.
I didn’t know this but Jay’s parents came over from Cuba. I’d love to see them add Gio, as well.
Has Xavier Cedeno signed anywhere yet?
I like it, even before considering the Manny connection. Not a big financial commitment, good OBP, helps bridge the gap in center field until somebody from the minors can step up. In an offseason where Patrick Corbin was about the only really good CF option, and given his heavy injury risk, I’m good with a low risk/low reward fill-in. Whatever limits Adam Engel’s plate appearances, I guess.
God dammit, I keep doing that and I have no idea why. Thanks for the correction.
You can edit posts…
Only for a limited time, and I didn’t see that until well after time expired.
Patrick Corbin tops Shohei Otani because he pitches, hits, AND covers CF!
The French call it raison d’Manny
*Raison de Manny
After 2018 I guess I can’t complain about a cromulent outfielder.
Between Jay, Engel, Palka, Leury, Delmonico, Cordell, and Tilson, the White Sox are going to find out if 7 fourth outfielders can equal 2 starting outfielders.
(By my math it only comes out to 1.75)
Kind of hard to dislike this deal; 1/$4m for an obvious need is swell.
BTW, I don’t totally hate the Sox offseason even if it’s kind of odd. My biggest issue is the opportunity cost that waiting for Machadao (and I guess Harper) to make up their minds. They have every right to do this, but I do think it’s cost the Sox a shot at Puig (though he’d be a UFA after 2019).
Ideally the Sox would use their low payroll for a high priced salary and land a good young player for their troubles instead of trading for Alonso/signing Herrera. And that may still happen. But MLB also isn’t the NBA where you can pick up an asset by taking on a bad contract. Unless I’m missing one, it seems like every bad contract trade involves another bad contract going the other way (the two Matt Kemp deals), thus mitigating the prospects/young players that are also moved with the bad contract.
@Otter I think the commissioner’s office frowns on straight salary dumps. There was a big delay in the Miami-Toronto megatrade years ago because the Marlins sent off all those salaries to the Blue Jays for no comparable salaries. It just happened to be that Buehrle, Reyes and Johnson were all decent players, not dead money.
I don’t think MLB wants to encourage that kind of deal on a regular basis, because it generally discourages buying/selling players, draft picks, etc.
Greinke could be a good equivalent for that trade that the White Sox could target. Not sure what the Diamondbacks expect in return, though.
Yonder and Yolmer
After Manny signs.
Sox don’t really have a player/contract to send the other way. While I’m all for Greinke as a pitcher, taking on 3/$105m is… a lot and severely limits what they can do next winter when there will most likely be better starting pitching options at roughly the same price annually.
Greinke is a number one. Get him plus Manny, That’s a real team.
I agree if they will buy down some of that contract you make it happen. Personally reminds me of houston getting verlander. nobody wanted to spend for him either.
What better options are available next year? I haven’t looked.
@Jim Ah, this makes a lot of sense.
Tying two posts together… Greinke ends up with the Sox, Ellsbury to the Diamondbacks, and filler to the Yankees?
If they add Manny, this has been a very successful winter. At least he’s a major league outfielder. That makes one now. Two when Eloy comes up
I’m REALLY hoping any concerns with Eloy’s defense are unfounded.
Fangraphs have him pegged for 18 runs created with the bat and -7 with the glove. Hoping that’s based mostly off the tepid scouting reports and he can at least hold his own in the field.
Nothing approximately 3 weeks in Charlotte can’t fix.
Now Manny, a good right fielder (Harper?), and a fifth starter, and we can call it a winter.
I don’t see how this makes us better than Engel and Leury. We’d better get Machado.
Jay: 1019 PAs, .279/.349/.359, 1.8 bWAR
Engel: 799 PAs, .207/.260/.314, -0.3 bWAR
Leury: 601 PAs, .271/.310/.401, 2.0 bWAR
Given Leury’s constant state of injury, not to mention his offensive numbers being propped up by a 2017 power surge he hasn’t been able to maintain, I’m comfortable with a placeholder like Jay who can provide at least a baseline for OBP and reasonable reliability health-wise.
2nd Half of 2018
On this club I’d rather be playing the youth on the rise than the veteran on the decline.
But your point is well-taken on Leury. Injury-prone and nothing special. It’s probably a good sign that we’re now willing to pay to do better, I’m just not sure Jay still qualifies. Shades of Dioner Navarro…
Jay only had 172 PAs in the 2nd half. This is cherry picking.
Not to mention, its cherry picking a half a season where one player had a much higher than normal Babip and one had a much smaller than normal Babip.
During that time, each players xba:
Jay replaces Avi. Less upside, but higher floor at a cheaper price.
Alonso effectively replaces Davidson, who is better but costs a lot more and probably eats into Palka at bats which isn’t ideal.
Nova replaces Shields, again better for less money.
The relievers are better than pick whomever you want that they’re replacing. They do cost more, but they should be moveable if they’re pitching well and the Sox decide to go that route in July.
The turd in the punchbowl is McCann which is a horrible way to spend $2.5m.
At least mccann has a gun for a team that gave up a million stolen bases last year i suppose.
If he posts a .581 OPS again, I doubt you’ll be praising his arm.
This ain’t your father’s White Sox nepotism: not just for drafting employees’ kids, anymore.
In addition to the sales pitch, maybe the Sox also deserve credit for thinking about how they can reshape the clubhouse to set Manny up for success and avoid the free agency hangovers of recent vintage. Maybe that’s worth some roster/resource inefficiency for a year or two. A better (or at least likely less costly) approach than trading prospects to get him ahead of free agency.
Never mind the Manny ties to Jay, let’s get down to the real question everyone’s asking:
Who gets cut from the 40 man to make room for Herrera and Jay? I’m feeling maybe Vieira and Tilson.
Think Clarkin survives because they just got him back from Cubs, Cordell gets slight nod over Tilson for possessing some degree of pop and Rick did make a point of saying other teams had called about him last spring training.
If it were me Banuelos and Cordell would be the victims. If Hahn is getting calls on Cordell then he should just ask for international bonus money and be done with it.
why in the hell would he be getting calls on cordell? But i’m guessing tilson and clarkin
Not sure the interest is still there for Cordell after the atrocious season he just had.
They just acquired Banuelos and haven’t even seen what he can do for them. He’s not going anywhere.
Not Banuelos. Currently, he may well be their fifth starter, although that is likely to change before April.
With Herrera, Jones, Colome, Minaya, Fulmer, Hamilton, Burr, Burdi, Ruiz, and a bevy of other RH bullpen options, I’m not sure they’re too concerned about possibly losing Vieira. The guy’s control just hasn’t come around, and he still doesn’t generate strikeouts despite his power arsenal.
This might be, my favorite White Sox move this winter. If we sign Machado, with Eloy, and a good bullpen, this team might even surprise more than one.
If we sign Machado.
I can’t decide if this is really creative or extremely desperate. Either way I just wish Manny’s friends and family were better at baseball. And if we DON’T get Machado, what’s the plan? I’m assuming we have to get the cubs to take Castillo, Alonso, and Jay for Kris Bryant so we can pivot to Harper.
A floor wax and a dessert topping.
The greatest shine you’ve ever tasted.
Looking forward to Hahn picking up Ryan Franklin, Fernando Rodney, and Josh Harrison, and hiring John Hart for the front office.
This is like Wade, Bosh, and James all signing with Miami except that all three of them were good players. So it’s more like signing two Jack Haleys for Dennis Rodman.
Jay and Alonso can play a bit. I don’t like the Alonso move on it’s own because I’d rather see Palka play in that spot but it isn’t like he sucks. He’s a major league hitter. And Jay is a major league outfielder that will shield me from Adam Engel at bats. So I’m ok with it.
Palka will play a lot of right. And I’m ok with it. He started out there atrociously, but he became passable as the season wore on.
What precedents are there for this kind of recruitment technique?
Catcher – pitching tandem is not that uncommon. I remember the Braves signing Eduardo Perez just because Greg Maddux wanted him as his catcher.
David Ross for Jon Lester, Chris Giminez for Yu Darvish.
Griffey, Jr. and Griffey, Sr.
Adam and Drake.
The White Sox kept a seat on the bench warm for Hank Allen when Dick Allen was on the team.
And don’t forget ken Henderson and Steve Henderson
If the Sox sign Machado they are setting themselves up for problems in the clubhouse down the road by signing his friends. Over/under on the first whispers of dissension August 1st.
Which means the perfect reason to replace Renteria.
Unless Ricky becomes a friend of Manny.
Surely Manny can also GM for what they’d be paying him?
January 7, 2019: the day the White Sox got serious about winning the 2019 World Series.
Old friend alert in Baltimore.
So if Manny signs an eight year contract, does that mean the Sox have to sign Castillo, Alonso, and Jay to seven year extensions? 🙂
they go year-to-year on the Machado posse until they’re ready for him to opt out
Each of these guys has roughly 2-3 years left in their major league career in my estimation. Maybe one will last longer and one may be done after 2019. I don’t think they could carry them even three years. I’m assuming their plan is a soft landing spot and they figure Manny will make other friends on the team. Feel kind of silly writing this, as if he’s a childish malcontent or something. He’s certainly had conflicts, but I don’t recall him having them with his own team.
Doesn’t manny want to Spring training in Florida? Maybe this softens that blow—buddies in AZ.