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nice write-up, this really sums up my own thoughts on the thome non-acquisition
Posted by onlysoxfaninboston | August 11, 2010, 6:52 amJim you are truly the voice of the non-meathead White Sox fan.
Posted by vince | August 11, 2010, 8:23 amYes, this was never anyone’s responsibility but Kenny’s. What cowed him I’ll never understand. It’s shocking, when you lay it out as Jim has. An experienced, even cocky, GM allowed his often unreasonable manager to decide against the most reasonable course of action: sign the cheap high-OBP lefty slugger everyone loves. You know, like an AL team might want to do–such as your division rivals. And for what? To serve Ozzie’s fantasy of “real beisbol”? It’s clear to me that right now the Sox don’t have what it takes to win this American League division, let alone get past game three of the division series.
This season has broken my back. During the 2005 run, I took a lot of heat from my Cub-fan cousins–”You realize Ozzie is a lucky idiot, don’t you?” they’d taunt. I wouldn’t go that far, not even now, but he no longer looks like a likable clown to me. He looks foolish and incapable of self-criticism. His in-game managing skills are fine, but why does he have such a hard-on for the National League style of play? Get the fuck out of the American League if that what bones you up. Or wake up to reality. It’s simply mind-boggling. Five years after the World Series victory, I’ve had enough. I want Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen gone next year.
Posted by expatnyc | August 11, 2010, 9:27 amI’d rather just have them do their own jobs, and then reevaluate at the end of next season.
Posted by Jim Margalus | August 11, 2010, 10:19 amYou’re more charitable, and more patient, than I am, Jim. I’m afraid Kenny and Ozzie are deluding themselves about this team’s chances–and have been doing so for quite some time. Kenny’s abdication only solidifies my opinion. It’s not as though his decision to forgo a DH happened in a vacuum. The Linebrink and Teahen contacts were also obviously wrong-headed, if not irrational. I suppose I could be persuaded to give them another year (as if it’s my decision), if only because Kenny Williams is so intelligent. But the fact that a seasoned GM essentially checked out on one of the biggest decisions of the off season makes me wonder whether he isn’t ready to move on too.
Posted by expatnyc | August 11, 2010, 12:32 pmThanks for saying all that so I don’t have to. For every HR Thome hits, a regulation-sized ball should be shoved up both Kenny’s and Ozzie’s ass. I nominate Kotsay to do the shoving. He’s so great with all those intangibles!
Williams is a freakin’ moron for letting Thome go and it’s only fitting that here he is beating us in a big series.
The fact that AJ never showed up this year has left us with a black hole on the left side. We have Teahen in the Minors, but they love him so much that they give him an extension but yet are in no hurry to bring him back up. What the hell does THAT tell you?
We also had a roster spot for Nix at the beginning of the season. Yeah, we had a back-up guy (Vizquel) who could play the whole infield, but we really needed Nix and sure as hell didn’t need big old Thome!
Posted by ricksch | August 11, 2010, 9:31 amChecklist time:
Over looked the orioles, check
Come out flat in the first game of the biggest series of the year, check
Play poor defense (pierre allowing a double on a sure single to left of Mauer’s bat, and alexei not covering 2nd base in a 2010 rare mental mistake allowing thome to leg out a double, check
Horseshit scouting report on twins hitters, the most annoying being the middle low and middle away pitching to thome which is just inexcusable, check
Terrible baserunning, Pierre at it again getting picked off for no real reason, then rios decided to take the bat out of our hottest hitters hand in the 1st inning for again no apparent reason, check
Lousy bullpen work, pena has been good most of the year, but linebrink being on an MLB roster is mike macdougal all over again, this guy hurts you worse trying to hide him as a long guy then it would hurt to just swollow the money and move on, check
did i miss anything… im sure i did cause that game was atrocious!!!!!! goood news is, you lose by one or get destroyed its the same in the standings, hopefully danks has it going tonight he usually does vs minnesota
Posted by knoxfire30 | August 11, 2010, 9:44 amforgot one, low fucking attendence vs arch rival in the middle of a division race, CHECK!
Posted by knoxfire30 | August 11, 2010, 10:09 amforgot one more, hawk harrelson blaming the umpires for everything especially a mark kotsay strikeout and then following his umpire tirade with a half hearted, well thats not why were losing, CHECK
Posted by knoxfire30 | August 11, 2010, 10:30 amDamning: “When we play (in the) National League, we don’t have the DH. That’s my point.”
Ozzie shouldn’t brag that his lineup is designed around the 9 games they play in NL parks. He has to realize they have a middling record against the bulk of their competition.
I’d like to believe Mr. Herman Schneider was a factor in them passing on Thome. At least it makes more sense if Herm doubted his own abilities to keep Gentleman Jim’s balky back in the lineup every day. Unfortunately Jim is still mashing DI
DINGERS in the Cell, and Peavy’s the one whose lat snapped off the bone like a windowshade.
Posted by fustercluck | August 11, 2010, 9:49 ami’d argue herm has nothing to do with it. the white sox have routinely been one of, if not the healthiest team for the last ten years
Posted by sars | August 11, 2010, 10:14 amGreat point — Ozzie’s so nostalgic for the NL that he’s created his own little island of it here! To the detriment of our ability to compete in OUR OWN FREAKING DIVISION!
Posted by ricksch | August 11, 2010, 12:51 pmJim, you wrote my mind. Thanks.
Posted by David | August 11, 2010, 10:20 amKenny screwed up big time by listening to Ozzie and taking a pass on Big Jim. The masher would have been good for the team and for attendance at the Cell. Ozzie is a good manager but giving him that big of a say in personnel decisions is a mistake. Ozzie’s ego is such that he wants to control everything. Watch out for Thome in the next 8 Sox-Twins games!! He is not done.
Posted by soxfan1 | August 11, 2010, 10:28 amJim, Jim, Jim, Mandruw Kojones is way more valuable than Thome, remember? Soxicano explained this weeks ago: http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2010/07/19/weekend-exposes-al-centrals-flaws/
Thome has been worth more WAR than all but three White Sox hitters, in almost half the plate appearances. Good grief.
Posted by bigfun | August 11, 2010, 11:28 ameven funnier considering WAR has a positional adjustment and jim thome has no position.
Posted by sars | August 11, 2010, 11:50 amYep. among DHs, only Ortiz and Scott have been more valuable this year. Thome’s just a hair above Vlad Guerrero right now, despite the difference in playing time.
Posted by bigfun | August 11, 2010, 12:06 pmThis is exactly what has been on many of our minds for some time now, but somehow, seeing it “on paper” rather than the various elements of it loosely floating around in my subconscious makes the entire situation even harder to stomach.
You (appropriately) omitted the emotional element, other than posting the perfectly tear-jerking waiting-by-the-phone image. Obviously, this is an intangible, and doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme. But knowing how Thome wanted to play for the Sox, and they turned their backs on such a fan favorite, only to see him immediately be snapped up by the arch rival… it was almost poetic.
After watching how it has played out since that decision, it has gone from heartbreaking to absolutely infuriating. This has become a perfect storm illogical/irresponsible decision-making and emotional frustration, and it came to a head last night.
Today is a lousy day to be a White Sox fan.
Posted by RWShow | August 11, 2010, 11:35 amgreat summation — even better than Jim’s I dare say!
Posted by ricksch | August 11, 2010, 12:54 pmYou’re dead to me.
Posted by Jim Margalus | August 11, 2010, 4:06 pmyou’re not a brother, you’re not a friend, you’re nothing to me now . . . when you come to see our mother, I want to know in advance so I won’t be there.
— G II
Posted by ricksch | August 11, 2010, 5:51 pmYou’ve been watching too many Sox games with elderly Italians, I fear.
Posted by RWShow | August 12, 2010, 2:13 pmTo me, Game 1 of this series is just the cherry on top of the turd sundae of the last 5 games. Thome or no Thome on the Twins and Minnesota still likely stomps all over the Sox last night. Freddy’s junktacular bag of tricks was hanging all around the plate.
The bigger issue is in the previous series where just one hitter could’ve been the difference between losing 3 of 4 and winning 3 of 4.
Alas, there’s still quite a few games left on the schedule and we should be used to this rollercoaster divisional race by now.
Posted by john | August 11, 2010, 12:06 pmJust wanted to add that it’s nice that you can read about what’s really going on with this team somewhere, because the local press and their happy horseshit are a huge waste of time.
Cowley seems to have a clue, but too often seems to muzzle himself. Gonzalez is a homer, kiss-ass, Van Dyke really doesn’t say much of anything and columnists like Isaacson are either irrelevant or way too late with their observations.
Is Ozzie and Kenny care about or want to know what real Sox fans think, they should read this string. I doubt that either will own up to the huge mistakes they made this year, but I’m sick of the local press lapping up their assinine excuses and just as dad-gum tired of Homer Hawk manufacturing them.
Posted by ricksch | August 11, 2010, 7:27 pmI think pursuing Berkman and Dunn was Kenny owning up to the mistake. That’s probably as much as you’ll get until the offseason. They’re not going to publicly doubt players they need, and it’s probably the right way to go.
Posted by Jim Margalus | August 11, 2010, 8:47 pmThat’s called boxing yourself into a corner and the Sox have done it magnificently this year.
BTW — Is keeping Teahen down for an extended rehab Kenny’s way of admitting the disaster of signing that bag of crap?
Even with Viciedo swinging out of his shoes and without a walk in 75ABs, this inexperienced, no-glove kid is up and Teabag’s down? At least Teahen could take some of Kotsay’s ABs.
Posted by ricksch | August 11, 2010, 11:31 pmI don’t know if that’s as obvious of an admission. The fact that he’s playing different positions is more of a way to get his bat in the lineup and not disturb the Vizquel-Ramirez tandem. If he were playing third the entire time, I think that’d be a strong message, but he hasn’t played a different position all year, so I think it’s more about reps.
I’ll be addressing Viciedo in the overnight post.
Posted by Jim Margalus | August 11, 2010, 11:52 pmI’m thinking of Teahen as more of a DH and relief for Paulie at first. Maybe he plays three games at third to spell Omar. I just hope Vizquel stays healthy, but something tells me he’s relishing playing this time of year. And, of course Hawk reminds us daily he’s in the best shape of anyone on the team.
Posted by ricksch | August 12, 2010, 12:01 amWasn’t it enough to simply be sick of Thome? I really didn’t ever want to see him in a Sox jersey again. I just never had the love.
The problem isn’t Thome or not Thome. The problem is Andruw Jones. Kenny should have met the plane back from Baltimore on Monday night and cut him before he reached the end of the jetway.
His at-bat in the 9th was horrible. Worse than horrible…. unacceptable.
Posted by lorenzobandini | August 11, 2010, 9:25 pmLike his style or not, he was immensely more valuable than the guys they replaced him with, and just as cheap. That’s the issue. You can’t make personnel decisions on emotion. They thought they were avoiding the sentimental pick by refusing to bring back Thome, when they were making an equally emotional choice to pursue a National League-type team because it’s so much cooler. The numbers never came close to adding up.
Posted by Jim Margalus | August 11, 2010, 9:47 pm