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Fantastic, Jim. Thanks for this.
Posted by jasonc23 | June 29, 2010, 6:31 amany idea of a sox package for dunn? he could be a Type A free agent so the nats are gonna hold out for a minimum of two top prospects
i would be pushing jordan danks as I have consistently always thought he would never make it as a solid regular but his triple A season so far has alerted a lot of people to that
Posted by knoxfire30 | June 29, 2010, 11:49 amKenny, please hold onto Brent Morel. I see him at 3B in Chicago after Teahen flops in his second half return later this year. I’d hate to see Daniel Hudson & Carlos Torres traded, but I would consider it if Dunn would agree to an extension with the Sox.
Posted by soxfan1 | June 29, 2010, 12:27 pmI’d want the opposite if they acquired Dunn. Those Type A picks would help this club more than another veteran with his best years behind him. There will be bargain DHs again this offseason just like there were last offseason, so there’s no need to lock in a guy like Dunn.
Posted by bigfun | June 29, 2010, 2:32 pmTo be fair to Dunn, he has never been better than this year and last year. His bat would play real real well in the Cell.
Posted by blah | June 29, 2010, 2:57 pmNever been better by what measure? 2009-2010 doesn’t really stand out by wOBA, OPS, WAR, etc. 2004 was clearly his best year, but it was only a bit better than what he’s pretty much done every year.
Dunn’s a good player and a good fit for the Sox, I just think considering the market for DH types over the past two winters, the Sox can find a better bargain.
Anyway I don’t think the Nationals will give him up for less than Hudson + somebody pretty good in the low minors, so I don’t think it will happen. Unless the Angels bowl them over the Nats will probably keep him all year and take the draft picks.
Posted by bigfun | June 29, 2010, 4:40 pmI was looking at traditional batting lines. But his wOBA .393 is still really good
He does make a lot for a guy who can do nothing but hit. Though competition for his services would probably drive his price up.
The nice thing about Dunn is that even if his BA goes down, he can compensate by raising his walk % to it’s usual 15-17%.
Bottom line, I like Dunn and ZiPS likes him too. He might not be the same as in ’04, but his more along his traditional lines anyway. What I don’t want is to lose valuable trade chips for 3 months of Dunn though, because bigfun is right, there will plenty of opportunities to get someone in the offseason who can do more or less the same thing.
Posted by blah | June 29, 2010, 5:54 pmI just think it was really inconsiderate of the Padres to not suck and keep Gonzalez off the market…
Posted by Shinons | June 29, 2010, 2:51 pmSox can not give much away for Dunn, simply because they don’t have much to give. Hudson is off limits unless it’s one up for Adrian Gonzalez. I’d love to get Kotsay out of the line-up (and off the team) immediately, but let’s make the smart deal with a team looking to shed salary. If Dunn’s price is two top prospects, forget it.
How about bringing up De Aza and sending down Jones or Randy? Randy is a wasted roster spot. Jones can still field, but he looks consistently overmmatched at the plate. This is jerk-ass speculation but doesn’t Jones fit the profile of a former juicer? Even though he came into camp in the best shape in the last few years, he’s unable to maintain any presence at the plate.
Need a victory tonight to keep the doubts about the validity of the win streak at bay.
Posted by ricksch | June 29, 2010, 3:38 pmI guess it could be steroids. Occam’s razor, he could just be suffering the sort of decline that’s pretty common in outfielders at that age.
And do you mean Hudson for Gonzalez, one-for-one? Because that’s not even remotely close to what Gonzalez is worth. It would be Hudson and Flowers, at the very minimum, to get Gonzalez.
Posted by bigfun | June 29, 2010, 4:55 pmAnd Randy is going to have to be sent down anyway when Jenks comes back, so his roster spot isn’t available. And I doubt Ozzie would be willing to go with six relievers anyway.
Posted by bigfun | June 29, 2010, 4:59 pmI assume 14 years in the bigs would leave Jones with no options left
Posted by blah | June 30, 2010, 9:05 amIn practice, Ozzie went with five relievers through the entire win streak as Linestink has shown he can be dangerous even in a mop-up role. Anyhow, you can send down pinch-runner Lillibridge for De Aza if that makes more sense to you. There is little or no chance Lillibridge can get on base on his own and we already have several of those types of “hitters” on the roster.
Jones is now 33. He was 30 when he went off the cliff. “that age”. Is 33 “that age?” The fact that Jones has been in pro ball for 14 years might make some sense out of your argument. But 33 can just as often be on or around a player’s peak. My point with Jones is that his precipitous fall at a relatively young age (30) mirrors that of several known juicers.
As usual though, you either seize upon the wrong meaning, nitpick on some meaningless tangent of the argument or try to shit all over people for speculating, even as they openly suggest that’s all they’re doing. I guess I should just leave all the shitbird opinions to you, huh?
Posted by ricksch | June 29, 2010, 8:13 pmwell said, jerk-ass
Posted by fustercluck | June 30, 2010, 9:02 amThe “nitpick or trying to shit” on you isn’t personal. Your opinion is wrong and it is our duty as anonymous internet contributors to shame, embarrass or insult you towards our own enlightened opinion.
If you have an issue with the way in which strangers on the internet, whom you will never meet, disagree with you and use sarcasm, then you only have two options;
1) Be more clear about what you mean.
2) Tell your mom.
I don’t really have the mom option she hates baseball. But she loves to hear about my day. And Battlestar Galactica
Posted by blah | June 30, 2010, 9:16 amGirls, girls … you’re BOTH pretty!
Seriously, let’s try to settle down here. I didn’t see anything objectionable/disrespectful about the original disagreement, as they all seemed to be on-topic rebuttals. But this site has been incredibly free of petty wars, and I’d like to keep it that way.
I mean, I’d understand it more if the Sox were way under .500, but they’re actually winning now.
Posted by Jim Margalus | June 30, 2010, 10:38 am