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It seems like from 2007 to 2010, the sox have been in the halfway rebuild, halfway compete mode. This year I really hope the team allows them to either contend or sell by the deadline. And I mean extreme on either side of that coin. Go out and get a huge bat if they are in contention or start selling off everything if they tank. Its an easy rebuild process you can move PK, AJ, Jenks, almost immediately if we fall out of contention. Then you can try and get Pierre and Linebrink off the books (not as big a pipedream as it once seemed), then you can look deeper at much tougher decesions like moving quentin (lets face it he is about to be expensive and his injurys and up and down track record have to make you listen) and matt thornton, rebuilding teams dont need stud setup men, and he could bring back one sure fire prospect in the right deal.
Posted by knoxfire30 | April 20, 2010, 10:18 amI don’t know if it’s so easy to move Konerko, he has a full no-trade clause and first basemen with moderate power are not exactly a high demand commodity.
Posted by bigfun | April 20, 2010, 12:26 pmHe is on record as saying he would waive it, I think teams like atlanta, nymets, tampa, seattle, and anyone who needs a dh or if an injury occurs to a team in contention could use pk. Not saying we are gonna get a top prospect back but maybe a couple middle of the road AA arms with potential.
Posted by knoxfire30 | April 20, 2010, 12:52 pmKnox, your “halfway rebuild” thought has merit and it’s mostly based on cash. 2006 was the last year the Sox decided to damn the cost when they picked up Thome’s contract in an attempt to repeat. Since then, they’ve acquired only enough quality players to remain competitive, or basically a .500 team. Let’s face it, everyone knew this year’s line-up was weak. They needed lights-out pitching to win. Instead three out of our five starters have struggled and Thornton has basically blown two games. They could have paid up for Damon or anyone who could have REALLY helped them, but why spend? This is all about money with JR and Co. They talk the talk but all they are concerned about is creating the illusion that they are going to compete. We all drunk the Kool-Aide of hopefulness, but most of us knew these empty calories were coming back to haunt us. Personally, I’d like to see either an eight game winning streak or eight game losing streak so I can either get back into this or shitcan the whole season.
I think Peavy will definately come around. Waiting for the Sox to reel off 7-8 wins reminds me too much of last year to want to sit still for this.
Posted by ricksch | April 20, 2010, 10:47 amsox spent a lot of peavy and rios so I dont quite follow the money allocation, if they wanted a big bat they could have bid on holliday or bay but realistically those would have been very shortsighted moves and came back to haunt them
staff is going to be good for the next 3 years im not concerned about that, its a matter of surrounding said staff with a lineup that can produce, im pretty sure this one will struggle almost all year
Posted by knoxfire30 | April 20, 2010, 11:47 amforget about Holliday and Bay — bullshit National League bats. Sox had the perfect fit, Figgins, whom they loved from afar for years. But they just didn’t want to pay him. Damon could have helped out our lineup at the end, but they didn’t want to spend the money. Thome would be better than having the useless Nix on the roster, but . . . apparently the cookie jar was empty.
Posted by ricksch | April 21, 2010, 10:21 amI think the halfway rebuild is fine if done correctly. Floyd/Gonzalez and Danks in the 2006-2007 offseason were great semi-rebuild moves. And think about the Vazquez trade in 2008-2009 – it may have been motivated in part by personalities, but they were still trading away a solid veteran for prospects going on a year when they were going to have to defend a division title. That takes some smarts.
I like the idea of a full rebuild in theory because I’ve been asking for a better farm system and more cost-effective home-grown talent for ages now. But I think a team like the White Sox, with its payroll and fanbase, can also succeed via partial rebuilds.
Posted by bigfun | April 20, 2010, 12:36 pmwell its not a full rebuild where you would have everyone on the trade block like even mb, floyd, danks, beckham, but you get my point on wanting to go a little further then the bandaid jobs they have been pulling lately.
Posted by knoxfire30 | April 20, 2010, 12:53 pmThis is funny. We are 4-9, 13 games into the season and people are talking about rebuilding. I could see this conversation at the end of May or June sometime if we were 20 games out, but it’s April still and we are 5.5 games back.
Posted by striker | April 20, 2010, 1:16 pmslow news day, mlbtr also ran an article about if the sox become sellers
Posted by knoxfire30 | April 20, 2010, 1:40 pmI think we all know that only 14, now 15, games have been played. It’s just that the team has had an ample chance to show who and what they are, and not one single Sox fan should like what they see.
If this season turns out to be a bust, I hope at least it serves to flush Guillen. His ridiculous rants show him to be the seat-of-your-pants moron that he is. He talks all day about taking blame, but never mentions what he should be blamed for! His handling of the pitching staff and game-day situational managing has never been anything special.
One of the big problems you can actually see with Guillen relates to character and the insider clubbiness he brought to the team. Guillen gets pissed and lets his tongue wag at anyone and anything. He ends up sounding like an idiot 99% of the time. It may seem “colorful” when your team is in contention, but not when your flagging. Oz seems more concerned with Twitter than actually managing the team. Could you even imagine Bobby Cox or Joe Madden wanting a Twitter account? Then we have Ozzie’s no-count extended family. Who the hell needs his spoiled ungrateful son on the team payroll? I hope Oney is out for good and the rest of Guillen’s kids follow. Our 5th starter is on the team because he’s related to Oz and will get far more chances than, oh, let’s say DJ Carassco, to prove his worth, or lack thereof. Bottom line, who needs this sort of rampant nepotism and buddy f–king? It all started with Cora, a mediocre player who road Ozzie’s coattails for years. People talk about Cora as if he has some credibility, but on what basis please?
Finally, there was a poll of MLB players taken a while back that showed that Ozzie was not a guy many were inteested in playing for. That could only hurt the team in its future acquisition of talent, which it so desperately needs.
Posted by ricksch | April 21, 2010, 3:47 pmJoe Maddon actually has a Twitter account:
http://twitter.com/RaysJoeMaddon
But that doesn’t change the bulk of your argument, which is certainly valid.
I think Peavy could have an impact on your final point. He initially rejected a trade, and then accepted it. If he can make the most of his time with the Sox, I think that’d be a quality sales pitch. Money does most of the talking anyway, which is where most of the problem lies.
Posted by Jim Margalus | April 21, 2010, 4:32 pmTo your point, Peavy could work well for us down the line and may be a “ray” of sunshine after tonight’s embarassment. I guess we’re down to one productive starter, insofar as ERA? I hate to be so negative so early in the season, but I felt going into the season that we absolutely had to get off to a good start. 5-10. Not so good.
It’s deflating after looking forward to the season and wanting to believe that some of these big question marks like Quentin and Rios would turn out well. No one outside of Jones is putting up any credible numbers. Is this all we can hope for from Rios? $9-12 mil a year for this!
God help us if Peavy doesn’t start producing.
Posted by ricksch | April 21, 2010, 11:14 pm