Comments on: Jenks weight flap may be light on impact

By: knoxfire30

knoxfire30 — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:09:59 +0000

vizquel still moves well and more importantly is smart on the base paths, and I still think Nix is going to make the 25 man roster.

By: stopdrop8

stopdrop8 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:18:27 +0000

who the hell is going to pinch run for us if our bench is jones, kotsay, vizquel, backup catcher?

By: blah

blah — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:56:57 +0000

I keep reading in articles by Merkin, Gonzales & Cowley articles that the Sox plan to rotate the DH spot as well. This could mean that there will be a platoon of Kotsay & Jones in RF (or LF if TCQ moves over).

If that is the case, then the postion players might be made up for next year with Nix and Lilbridge fighting for the last spot in spring training.

Considering the Sox were in the bottom of most batting categories last season, I don’t see how Kenny, Ozzie or Reinsdorf can be optimistic next year without filling out the two power positions of DH and Right field.

( In case you want to see the offensive stats, http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/batteam.shtml#teamranks )

I may be beating a dead horse, but even with a full season of Commissioner Gordon, the White Sox might just be hoping too much that Teahen, Rios & TCQ can turn out healthy, productive seasons with the starting pitching staff preforming at or near their 2008/2009 levels.

While I know that the off-season is still young, it just seems that with Ozzie and the beat writers, especially Merkin, painting a picture that few moves need to be made, I can’t help but think the Sox aren’t gonna do too much more.

By: bigfun

bigfun — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:37:44 +0000

Wow, this might be one of the first times ever that Kenny has actually gone after a player I suggested getting (comments, http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/10/22/knoxfire30s-2010-white-sox-offseason-plan/). And he got him for a bit cheaper than I expected too!

I think Jones’ floor is slightly below league average bench hitter and league-average corner outfield defense. I think his ceiling is 400ish PA of .250/.350/.450-type hitting and above-average corner defense / average center field defense. His defense is probably underrated as he was league average as recently as 2008 and fine in a small sample size in 2009. And of course one of the best in baseball prior to that.

I don’t think they’re going to be signing a full-time DH – I agree with Knoxfire, it makes more sense to use the DH slot for some combination of Quentin/Jones/Konerko/Kotsay/Pierzynski/Flowers (August or September). I think 9-10 million is pretty optimistic but I can see them spending another 6 mil per year to add another guy who can play a corner outfield slot and also spend some time in the DH if necessary.

This team has gone from being very locked-in from position to position to being very versatile. Should be interesting.

By: stopdrop8

stopdrop8 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:35:50 +0000

They’re saying jones Is going to be strictly a bench player. In my opinion that means that they’re going to spend at least 9-10 million dollars on the remaining two spots, because what’s the point in emphasizing that he’s going to be a bench player if the guy you’re signing to start over him isn’t considerably better?

By: fustercluck

fustercluck — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:43:55 +0000

Did Knox just go from zero to shitfaced in 23 minutes? Now that is impressive. Not as impressive as the free agents Kenny just signed, though (five years ago, maybe). I get that Vizquel can bridge the language barrier between ‘Lexei & Becksie, but I hope they don’t let Andruw coach Bobby’s conditioning. And speaking of coaching, did the Sox notice how Jaramillo kinda almost fixed Andruw’s hitting and think Walk could finish the job?

Maybe the Dodgers could pay Juan Pierre to play for the Sox next year, too. The offseason is still young.

By: knoxfire30

knoxfire30 — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:02:30 +0000

The score is reporting the sox signed andru jones so what is the plan to rotate dh’s of jones and kotsay and then give pk and quentin days off since the dh’s on the team for 2010 can actually play in the field occasionally?????

By: knoxfire30

knoxfire30 — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:39:50 +0000

-People are getting to caught up in Jenks’s 10 arb number and 2011 number. They are exclusive, one has little to do with the other. The only question the sox need to ask themselves right now is, is jenks worth 7 mil to come back for 2010. IMO the answer is certainly yes its worth the gamble because although on a down trend he has been consistently good, and trying to plug the hole bobby leaves with the only reliable lefty setup man we have is a bad trickle down effect that the whole bullpen will feel.

-Good god I want no parts of coco crisp. Above average defense, below average stick, below average leadoff skills, NO NO NO

-Kenny is sending a message to bobby to come in with his conditioning in check. Thats more of a sign to me that they are going to keep jenks then they are looking for excusses to trade him. IMO the only reason to bash a guy is if your going to non tender him, I dont think thats the case with Jenks but I am a lil more worried about it now.