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Unrelated: A cool video of Joe Mauer tipping pitches: http://bit.ly/k3iaK
Posted by Jim Margalus | October 1, 2009, 2:45 amI would imagine Jake Peavy would be a little upset if the sox traded Buehrle. He would not have waived his no trade to go to a team with no shot at winning.
I think the sox will surprise us this winter and will spend a lot of money to improve the team. They slashed payroll by approximately 20% last year and their attendance had to have been better this year than what they expected. I think they will have enough payroll flexibility this winter to go after Matt Holliday and I’m predicting that’s who they will make a run at.
Posted by jimbo | October 1, 2009, 7:43 amHolliday was basically a fringe above average in the American league, you want to shell out close to a 100 mil for an above average corner outfielder?
Posted by knoxfire30 | October 1, 2009, 9:46 amYou have to be kidding? You’re going to look at a couple of months in a pitchers park whilke seeing pitchers for a first time and tell me Holliday is not one of the elite outfielders in baseball? Yes, I would invest close to 100 mil over the next 5 years to get one of the best players in the game.
Posted by jimbo | October 1, 2009, 11:30 amNo im not kidding you, look at the numbers and do your homework Holliday is a product of the NL and Coors field. He is an above average player not a great one.
AT HOME FOR HIS CAREER, a 2 to 1 homer run ratio compared to playing on the road. An average thats 70 points higher, an obp thats 75 points higher, a slugging percentage thats 180 points higher, an OPS thats 240 points higher.
THOSE ARE MONSTER SPLITS, he is a superstar when at home, usually in coors field. He is above average in the AL, with all that data their is no way im risking 100 mil to find out if his career splits and his 3 months in the AL were a fluke.
Posted by knoxfire30 | October 1, 2009, 2:47 pmI bet most players hit better at home, no matter the park. Holliday has also hit pretty well in St. Louis. I’m sure he would continue to hit well. Whether he’s worth 5/100 is another question. I see him as a Helton type hitter who will decline in power but still hit for average.
Posted by striker | October 1, 2009, 3:35 pmYea guys hit a little better at home, those splits are far beyond the norm though. As I pointed out Holliday 250 points difference in Home and Road OPS. I just looked up guys at random feel free to add to the list.
Dye 50 points difference
Sheffield 50
Mags 60
Vlad 40
Markakis 20
Carlos Lee 30
Hawpe 20
Bonds 30
Bay (4 points better on the road)
There isnt much of a debate in my opinion Im not risking 100 mil when the split is that unbelievably dramatic.
Posted by knoxfire30 | October 1, 2009, 4:23 pmWithout doing any homework I do know that the Cell is a better park for hitting home runs than Coors Field. He played in two pitcher’s parks this year and has a line of .311/.389/.515 with 105 rbi. His home away splits were also favoring home field this year even at those parks. There is no sound reason to assume he would put up anything short of what he’s done this year if he were playing half of his games at US Cellular field. He’s a 5+ war player at a position the sox need a lot of help at.
Posted by jimbo | October 1, 2009, 5:01 pmI dont know what else to do to show you he isnt good in the AL and on the road. I suspect Kenny knows about these numbers as do American league clubs, I will be shocked if he signs anywhere other then the National league.
Im positive the sox wont go after him so Im not going to worry about it.
Posted by knoxfire30 | October 1, 2009, 5:27 pmScott Boras.
Just needed to be said.
Posted by Jim Margalus | October 1, 2009, 5:33 pmAfter the Peavy deal (and before the season fell apart), I had said this season reminds me of 2004 – the Sox almost sorta kinda in contention, picking up Garcia in the middle of the season, the eventual disappointment of fading down the stretch (hey it was like 2004).
I think we could have a 2005-caliber rotation next year. Maybe even better (hopefully it will be, because we’re going to need it). I don’t see KW trading away the strength of this team. But he’s always predictable.
Posted by vince | October 1, 2009, 8:30 amMB has been a relative bargain considering some of the bad money thrown at mediocre pitchers let alone guys like mark who are well above average.
I see no possible outcome of moving mark, 1 he signed a discounted contract to be here, 2 lefties who always take the hill and give you 200 quality innings every year dont grow on trees, 3 when in the world has kenny williams ever made a white flag deal on july 15th? No contending team is going to give you a stud corner outfielder that they would theroetically need and no non contending team is going to trade someone of high value for a pitcher who has a ton of miles on him with an escalating contract should he be traded. Thus the only time Mark could be traded would be this offseason and that simply isnt going to happen this team is going all out on the rotation in hopes of having so much starting pitching that at some point the offense will click and the team will go on a nice run in 2010.
Also, PK was a breaking down 1b who could hit a little but did nothing else, MB is a crafty lefty whose numbers are spot on to what they have been. A lot easier to find a 1b then a quality starter in my opinion so I think those situations are a lot different.
Posted by knoxfire30 | October 1, 2009, 9:51 amIs this pick on striker week? You are making me very afraid to share my true feelings :)
I don’t recall saying we should deal a starter. If I did then I take back my words. I do recall talking about letting Freddy go but like everyone else mentioned it’s a low risk/high reward gamble that’s worth it. I’d like to see Hudson on the team in 2010 but he’ll have to beat out Freddy in spring training for a starting spot, rightly so.
I would never even consider moving Mark Buehrle unless he was at the end of his time and the Cardinals wanted him (ala Jim Thome). Who knows what Kenny will do though. He let two of the best players in White Sox history walk (Thomas & Ordonez). Both ended up being good moves.
I would like to see Konerko dealt (only if it brought back something of value) or at least moved down in the lineup. He just isn’t the run producer he used to be. We need more consistency in our #3 and #4 spots. I’m not a fan of Pierzynski batting 3rd either. I’d rather see Quentin bat .230 in the #3 spot.
We got lucky with an awesome bullpen in 2005. Our 2010 and 2005 rotations were/will be awesome but the jury is still out on the 2010 bullpen. Polite, Cotts, Hermanson and even Jenks all overachieved in 2005. Hopefully we get that in 2010.
Posted by striker | October 1, 2009, 10:33 amMark Buehrle IS the White Sox franchise player. There is no one more loved than he is. Let’s keep our 4 starting pitchers and build around them. My fear of Kenny standing pat is strictly coming from payroll. If Jerry cuts the payroll to ~$90mil because of decreased attendance, Kenny is in a tough spot. He already has ~$70mil committed to about 11 guys. That’s not much room to play with.
Posted by soxfan1 | October 1, 2009, 10:54 amWell argued Knox. I don’t think he’s worth the risk regardless. Look at the criticism KW is getting already for trading for Rios and he only played like 30 games with the cursed Sox. Besides that, Kenny shops at flea markets not at Sachs.
Posted by striker | October 1, 2009, 5:52 pm