Comments on: Report: Walker, Sox coaches staying put. Why? http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/ A Chicago White Sox blog Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:04:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: knoxfire30 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-579 knoxfire30 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:34:26 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-579 I also caught a kenny tidbit I agree with. He said something along the lines of he is tired of the unearned runs and figures that a lot of it is caused by guys not anticiapating where the ball needs to go before the pitch. I was taught to think that way when I was 5 or 6 so if kenny thinks that is a true cause for the bonehead plays then a major defensive coaching aspect has been brutally overlooked and needs to be emphasised in spring training. I also caught a kenny tidbit I agree with. He said something along the lines of he is tired of the unearned runs and figures that a lot of it is caused by guys not anticiapating where the ball needs to go before the pitch.

I was taught to think that way when I was 5 or 6 so if kenny thinks that is a true cause for the bonehead plays then a major defensive coaching aspect has been brutally overlooked and needs to be emphasised in spring training.

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]]> By: Jim Margalus http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-578 Jim Margalus Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:06:27 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-578 Yeah, if you rebuild the team completely, you might have a chance of having a rotation that looks as good as the 2010 one. That you can build around. Linebrink still rates as the team's worst contract (jury's out on Rios), so there's plenty to work with. Yeah, if you rebuild the team completely, you might have a chance of having a rotation that looks as good as the 2010 one. That you can build around. Linebrink still rates as the team’s worst contract (jury’s out on Rios), so there’s plenty to work with.

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]]> By: Jim Margalus http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-577 Jim Margalus Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:05:17 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-577 I like the first idea. Probably after the dust-settles in mid-October, I'll hash out some criteria. If nothing else, it would provide content for me while I work on the book. And I wouldn't automatically boot out the stupid trade ideas. If I can detect that a casual/new fan is being serious/genuine about a bad idea, it's not bad to learn from criticism. (And we can open fire on the true idiots, as well). No. 2 might be a good community thing, and No. 3 will probably come up as cases arise. I like the first idea. Probably after the dust-settles in mid-October, I’ll hash out some criteria. If nothing else, it would provide content for me while I work on the book.

And I wouldn’t automatically boot out the stupid trade ideas. If I can detect that a casual/new fan is being serious/genuine about a bad idea, it’s not bad to learn from criticism. (And we can open fire on the true idiots, as well).

No. 2 might be a good community thing, and No. 3 will probably come up as cases arise.

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]]> By: Jim Margalus http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-576 Jim Margalus Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:02:35 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-576 See, I think Cox is more blameable than Walker, if only because they brought him in, and the baserunning got worse. A case could be made that Cox is having an adverse affect on baserunning/smallball, more easily than Walker isn't helping the hitters. I think Cora's fine. Ramirez is a capable shortstop now, and Beckham has made big strides at third before our eyes. I don't know if outfield and battery defense are under his jurisdiction. See, I think Cox is more blameable than Walker, if only because they brought him in, and the baserunning got worse. A case could be made that Cox is having an adverse affect on baserunning/smallball, more easily than Walker isn’t helping the hitters.

I think Cora’s fine. Ramirez is a capable shortstop now, and Beckham has made big strides at third before our eyes. I don’t know if outfield and battery defense are under his jurisdiction.

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]]> By: jimbo http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-575 jimbo Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:06:44 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-575 One thing not mentioned but something I applaud is KW said next year he is insisting the Sox take infield practice closer to gametime. I find that interesting that the GM would insist on this and not the manager. I think KW may be getting a little tired of the lackadaisical atmosphere in that clubhouse. In explaining it he said he wants to get the players out of the clubhouse and in their game-ready mode sooner. I'm sure he's as tired as we fans are of hearing how "next year" we are going to be better at the fundamentals. As far as the coaches getting there so early and staying late, who wouldn't like that? Ozzie runs a very loose ship and is the clubhouse leader in fucking around and playing grab-ass. I'd try and get there early too...... One thing not mentioned but something I applaud is KW said next year he is insisting the Sox take infield practice closer to gametime. I find that interesting that the GM would insist on this and not the manager. I think KW may be getting a little tired of the lackadaisical atmosphere in that clubhouse. In explaining it he said he wants to get the players out of the clubhouse and in their game-ready mode sooner. I’m sure he’s as tired as we fans are of hearing how “next year” we are going to be better at the fundamentals.
As far as the coaches getting there so early and staying late, who wouldn’t like that? Ozzie runs a very loose ship and is the clubhouse leader in fucking around and playing grab-ass. I’d try and get there early too……

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]]> By: knoxfire30 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-574 knoxfire30 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:53:52 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-574 Presently constructed they might be a 500 team, but bring in 1 or 2 bats, find relief help (or simply get lucky in the bullpen as bullpens always run hot and cold) and is it that hard to believe this team could win 88-90 games??? Ive been a debbie downer lately but 5 good starters, and another guy on the way in hudson is a good starting point heading into next year. Any team with that kind of pitching has a shot. Presently constructed they might be a 500 team, but bring in 1 or 2 bats, find relief help (or simply get lucky in the bullpen as bullpens always run hot and cold) and is it that hard to believe this team could win 88-90 games???

Ive been a debbie downer lately but 5 good starters, and another guy on the way in hudson is a good starting point heading into next year. Any team with that kind of pitching has a shot.

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]]> By: cushinglee http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-573 cushinglee Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:40:34 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-573 Knoxfire is right. This team has quit. It's hard to bust on a Cub fan about Milton Bradley when your own team has decided to phone it in. The real question is this: Should the White Sox rebuild (and I mean REALLY rebuild) or do they continue to go down the same path they have been and just be a .500 team? Knoxfire is right. This team has quit. It’s hard to bust on a Cub fan about Milton Bradley when your own team has decided to phone it in. The real question is this: Should the White Sox rebuild (and I mean REALLY rebuild) or do they continue to go down the same path they have been and just be a .500 team?

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]]> By: ahicks1130 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-572 ahicks1130 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:25:46 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-572 I'm really getting tired of hearing that Greg Walker puts in more work than anyone else, that he's the first to arrive last to leave, etc. Ok , Dewayne Wise puts in a lot of work, Jerry Owens did too, I'm sure Andy Gonzalez really worked hard, but so what if they're not any good. Just putting in work isn't enough. You have to show results at this level. I'm sure there are a ton of minor leaguers who bust it night in night out, does that mean they all deserve a shot at the big leagues? I just don't get it. This team absolutely struggles to score 2 runs a night. What's the worst that could possibly happen if we fire Walker? We struggle to score 1 run a night. Is there really that much of a drop off? This has been a 3 year problem. Our offense was terrible in '07, it was terrible when Carlos wasn't carrying the team last year, and it's been terrible this year. Sometimes I love the White Sox loyalty and then there are others when it drives me crazy. I’m really getting tired of hearing that Greg Walker puts in more work than anyone else, that he’s the first to arrive last to leave, etc. Ok , Dewayne Wise puts in a lot of work, Jerry Owens did too, I’m sure Andy Gonzalez really worked hard, but so what if they’re not any good. Just putting in work isn’t enough. You have to show results at this level. I’m sure there are a ton of minor leaguers who bust it night in night out, does that mean they all deserve a shot at the big leagues?

I just don’t get it. This team absolutely struggles to score 2 runs a night. What’s the worst that could possibly happen if we fire Walker? We struggle to score 1 run a night. Is there really that much of a drop off? This has been a 3 year problem. Our offense was terrible in ’07, it was terrible when Carlos wasn’t carrying the team last year, and it’s been terrible this year. Sometimes I love the White Sox loyalty and then there are others when it drives me crazy.

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]]> By: striker http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-571 striker Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:39:18 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-571 You can't weed too many out though. It's going to be a long boring offseason. :) You can’t weed too many out though. It’s going to be a long boring offseason. :)

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]]> By: jimbo http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/09/24/report-walker-sox-coaches-staying-put/comment-page-1/#comment-570 jimbo Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:15:39 +0000 http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/?p=641#comment-570 If hitting instructors truly made no difference, do you really think 30 mlb teams would be paying one for their services each year? Evidently, the sox number 1 measurement of a hitting instructor's success is how many hours he puts in, as this is the only thing we ever hear when the issue is brought up. If hitting instructors truly made no difference, do you really think 30 mlb teams would be paying one for their services each year? Evidently, the sox number 1 measurement of a hitting instructor’s success is how many hours he puts in, as this is the only thing we ever hear when the issue is brought up.

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