posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 3:04 AM by Jim

The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Javier Vazquez was introduced as a member of the Atlanta Braves, and had this to say about his time in Chicago:

“The negativity is never good," Vazquez said at his news conference in Atlanta. "I’ve always been a big believer in being positive, especially in professional leagues. You’ve got a lot of negative things going on, so you always try to be positive." [...]

Vazquez declined to say anything bad about Guillen.

"The only thing I’m going to say is it’s good to get away from the negativity and start fresh," Vazquez said. "I like the city, like the stadium. I’m a flyball pitcher, so this park, I think suits better with the type of pitcher I am. I’m looking forward to pitching here."

Well, at least I can't be held accountable.

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Hoping that's the last we hear
of any relationship issues between Guillen and Vazquez, let's sift through the rest of the news, most of which was drawn from Kenny Williams' conference call with the media upon the finalization of the trade.

The call is about 30 minutes, and worth listening to if you 1) have time, and 2) can tolerate that it was apparently recorded in Edison's laboratory 130 years ago.

Among the notable quotables:

*Orlando Cabrera, should he accept arbitration, would return in the utility role, as Williams maintained Alexei Ramirez has a firm grip on the shortstop position.

It's a little bit of unnecessary posturing, because as knoxfire pointed out in the previous thread, this situation favors the Sox, even if it costs them some money.  But it's funny to think that if Cabrera's on the roster, he's going to be the one sitting while Chris Getz, Jayson Nix and Brent Lillibridge fight it out for the second base spot.  That would nearly be cause for a union grievance if everybody lives up to their track records.

*The rhetoric around Brent Lillibridge makes me a little uneasy, because it echoes the "The Carlos Quentin" sentiment from last year.

If Lillibridge were as good as Quentin, I wouldn't be complaining, but Quentin had been, you know, good the previous couple minor league seasons.  Lillibridge?  Not so much.

The silver lining is that Williams says Lillibridge needs to shorten his swing in order to get back to where he was -- something that should be spottable before he's even considered for the 25-man roster.  Williams says he also needs to get back to "playing the game to win," which points to a gambling problem if I'm not mistaken.

*Jon Gilmore was described as a "Joe Crede-type," but not in terms of his defense -- more like his build and bat.

*Jeff Marquez, he of the 33 strikeouts in 80 1/3 innings at Triple-A last year, is first in line to replace Vazquez:

"When we went out and got Jeff Marquez [from the Yankees in the Swisher deal], that was with the mind-set -- that, at the end of the day, it made us, and me in particular, feel comfortable that, should we end up moving Javy, that we can put Marquez and [left-hander] Clayton Richard in the back of the rotation," Williams said. "Now that can only be done with the type of bullpen that I think we have, because you have to support those guys as they are going through some of their growing periods."

I'd still be surprised if the Sox don't acquire at least one veteran starter, even if it's a high-risk guy like Pedro Martinez or -- wait for it -- Carl Pavano.  The Sox have cleared too much payroll not to take a short contract.  Of course, they could very well splurge, taking advantage of a buyer's market in the bad economy to sign a big free agent for fewer dollars than it would normally require, but that's the one move Williams really hasn't tried yet.

*Williams sees no need
to worry about whether Tyler Flowers needs to change positions:

"I think this guy is going to be an All-Star catcher," Williams said. "For a guy his size, he certainly has a lot of agility behind home plate and he throws the ball particularly well."

*Dayan Viciedo may report to Chicago next week, but he's already being asked to lose 10 pounds so he can be in better shape to cover ground in the outfield.  While Williams said he's not actively shopping any other veterans, that seems to point to a desire to ship Jermaine Dye out of town.

Phil Rogers came to the same conclusion, but I'm going to pick a nit with his lede.

Paging Jermaine Dye, paging Jermaine Dye … Mr. Dye, please cancel your spring-training reservations with the White Sox and hold for your impending reassignment.

There are no reservations to cancel because he was already going to stay home.  That many in the Sox organization lived in the Phoenix area in the offseason was a main impetus in paying the city of Tucson $5 million to skip town.

Comments

# The aftermath of Vazquez

Friday, December 05, 2008 7:50 AM by IowaOaks
Personally, I'm glad Vasquez is gone and with comments like that... well, it makes the uncertainty of the youngsters we got in return a little easier to swallow... a little.
Hey, Atlanta!! good luck past the fifth, when the game is on the line or in any game that actually matters. The strikeouts look awesome on paper, but the 13plus ERA when it matters, yeah, a little less so.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 10:16 AM by knoxfire30
Um pretty sure when he says negativity he means he cant pitch under any small amount of pressure, and when he says fly ball pitcher he means fly ball homers that go 430 feet after he hangs another slider out over the plate in a crucial situation.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 10:30 AM by Jim Margalus
Man, we had a chance to end the Vazquez conversation with a "That's what she said," but noooooooooooooooo.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 10:32 AM by soxexile
"Negativity" is just Javy's synonym for "expectations." Indeed, he pitches better without them.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 10:48 AM by Fundman
People, people, people, if Javy hadn't gagged down the stretch think of how boring the final 4 games would have been?

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 12:28 PM by bigsether
A lot of players would have gagged down the stretch, it's hard to swallow something as big as playoff pressure. Javy was just a choker, he would get sucked in by all the negativity, and spit out a bad start. You don't want someone that can't handle the big time pressure and doesn't relish the taste of what can come out of that big time pressure. Javy would just suck and suck and suck and then spit out nothing. It even makes me think when we saw him gag down the stretch this year, that he wasn't even good at sucking....what do you guys think?

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 12:36 PM by bigsether
I could deductively conclude that when Javy saw how big playoff pressure was, he probably thought something like "oh my gosh this is huge, there is no way i can swallow something this big."

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 12:52 PM by bobleeswagger
Anybody know anything about this John Van Benschoten guy other than he was the 8th overall pick in '01? This seems like the kind of pitcher Coop has good success with.

"oh my gosh this is huge, there is no way i can swallow something this big."

I'm not even gonna say it.

# The aftermath of Vazquez

Friday, December 05, 2008 12:55 PM by IowaOaks
In the land of what if... what could we have gotten for him last off season (granted it changes a lot from this season and all that - but that is why you call it what if.) I ask because we saw this horrible-ness in '07 when he couldn't get out of the fifth for a pretty long stretch. I'm sure there was discussion last year this time.
Just wondering...

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 3:39 PM by KevinS
For whatever reason, Javy had pressure issues. Maybe he had to pee more and that took his mind off of throwing sliders that broke off the plate instead of into the heart, like the ones he threw Longoria in game 1.

But unless KW replaces the non high pressure performances in the rotation, there will be no division crown repeat. Until KW makes another move, this one makes the team weaker.

Pavano is a waste. I wish for Lowe, but alas Boras.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 3:57 PM by Jim Margalus
"I'm not even gonna say it."

I agree. I think Javy's taken it on the chin enough.

Van Benschoten might have better luck as a hitter. Evidently, he wants to keep pitching, though:

"The Houston Astros recently expressed interest in free-agent pitcher John Van Benschoten as a hitter, but he wants to keep pitching. Van Benschoten, cut loose by the Pirates earlier this month, was the NCAA's home run champion in 2001, but a lingering ailment in his left -- non-throwing -- shoulder has hurt his swing over the years."

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 4:52 PM by bigsether
Has there been any thought from the Sox in converting Brian Anderson to a hitter? To me, that makes the most sense going into 2009.

I honestly feel on fire today.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 5:16 PM by knoxfire30
"I honestly feel on fire today."

Thats what she said, after you gave her herpies!

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 5:21 PM by The6thJackson
I didn't listen to the kw thing, but i bet he said something about the sox getting younger blah blah about 100 times. He seems so stubborn sometimes, i trust him and like him but he seems like kind of a d-bag sometimes. I feel like the sox are gonna be the marlins this year. I'm not ready for another year of just hoping the cubs dont win the world series.

Anybody know if were going back to "these kids can play"? Maybe since we got rid of swisher we can get rid of the word swagger. You only have swagger if you dont talk about it.

I hate baseball

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 5:33 PM by fromrussiawithlove
The best thing the Sox have going for them is there division sucks. Now I'm not about to go into a whole big thing about sucking like bigsether did. Which by the way I read after lunch and almost puked all over my keyboard at work. All I'm saying is that Detroit, KC and Cleveland are terrible. It's us or the Twins and 85-90 wins should take the central.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Friday, December 05, 2008 10:14 PM by Conor
"Which by the way I read after lunch and almost puked all over my keyboard at work."

Thanks for being the bigger man and not adding anything to the established gross out factor. Good movie, btw.

# re: The aftermath (and fallout?) of the Vazquez trade

Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:21 PM by soxfan1
Gee a pitcher cut loose by the Pirates. I wonder if he is related to Todd Ritchie?