posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:52 AM by Jim

White Sox bid Tucson toodles

It's supposedly a great day for the White Sox as they finalized their move from Tucson to Glendale, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.

Sure, it's nice that Matt Thornton gets to sleep in his own bed and Jerry Reinsdorf's investments appreciate in value, but when you look at the Tucson paper's reaction, it's more sad to me than anything.

"It's a really sad day for baseball here in Tucson," Board Chairman Richard Elías said before the supervisors' 5-0 vote to accept the White Sox's offer. [...]

Supervisors reserved irate comments not so much for the White Sox but for communities up north, which used revenues generated by the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority to build new lavish facilities to lure MLB teams not only from Tucson but Florida as well."

The story's comments seem to back up that sentiment.

Having attended spring training the last three seasons, I'm going to miss Tucson, which is a fun town that's headed in the wrong direction.

Mainly, I hate this move for selfish reasons.  My buddy Matt and I had the trip down cold

I'd take the flight out of Albany at the crack of ass with one connection to Tucson's airport.  He'd take the cheap flight from Denver to Phoenix, grab the rental car there and make the drive down I-10 with enough time to grab tickets, and later sunblock after the FAA deemed it not safe for travel.

Every year, it worked out.  My flights arrived at 12:35 on the dot.  I never checked bags, so I'd hustle out to the parking lot, and we could get to Tucson Electric Park with 10 minutes to spare.  We were in our seats with refreshments every year.  Hell, we even challenged the flow when my dad tagged along last year.  As it so happened, I was able to meet him in Chicago since my flight connected there, and we got in 10 minutes early

Maybe the greatest compliment I could pay spring training in Tucson is that I've never been a bigger fan of the airline industry before or after.

The Tucson trips had all the ingredients for a perfect, laid-back vacation:  Easy transit, baseball every day, good (and relatively cheap) golf, good food, good beer, good scenery.  TEP and Hi Corbett might not be "first-class" sports facilities like the new one in Glendale, but it was great B-games were held on a softball fields where even the dugouts weren't fenced in.  Will the new park allow fans to sit next to managers and general managers, and force sluggers to squeeze through crowds to use the single port-a-potty?  I'm pretty sure that's the kind of thing the Sox paid $5 million to escape from.

That the White Sox and Rockies no longer train 10 minutes apart takes most of the incentive out of going to Arizona for me (although Matt was kind enough to let the trips skew Sox-centric because of this site).  It'll probably be a few years before I give it another shot, though I hope to hear good news from those of you that head to Glendale.  Right now, the whole concept of this place sounds so sterile to me.

If nothing else, let me know if the new location still allows games of "Restaurant or Furniture Store?"  That's one of the things I'll miss the most.

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Arizona (sniff) Fall League roundup:
  • Peoria 14, Phoenix 8
    • The line for new Sox pitcher Jeff Marquez: 2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 1 K.  Wheeeeeeeee.
    • Cole Armstrong went 3-for-6 with a homer and three RBI.

Comments

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:54 AM by Conor
That is too bad. I love Tucson. I wish Phoenix would die in a fire. Worst city in the country.

# Wonder Which One Jason Voted For?

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:04 AM by Dr. Lingerie
Cut and paste of poll question/answers on chicagosports.com:

"The Cubs have locked up Ryan Dempster. What should they do next?

Sign Jake Peavy (103 responses)

42.7%

Sign Randy Johnson (16 responses)

6.6%

Sign Rafael Furcal (43 responses)

17.8%

Sign all of them (46 responses)

19.1%

Sign none of them (33 responses)

13.7%

241 total responses (Results not scientific)"

Not scientific? You don't say.

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:01 AM by Fundman
Jim if you golf at all you'll learn to love Phoenix.......maybe not the traffic, but with TPS Scottsdale, Greyhawk, tons more, you'll do fine.

While I'm pretty much out of Sox news to ponder I'm pleased to tell y'all that Fundbaby arrived Monday morning at a shade over 7 lbs. He's already got his first ChiSox gear from his Grandpa........and he's already thrown-up when I mentioned the word grinder.

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:40 AM by Jim Margalus
Well, we're all not doctors like you. How come there's no talk of the Sox signing Peavy? HE'LL ONLY COST MONEY!!!!!!!

Congrats! You named him Ehren Josef, right?

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:55 PM by MattTheRock
Damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, and damnit.

I knew this day was coming since you mentioned it on the last trip down, but part of me wanted to believe that it wouldn't happen just because those Tucson trips always had a nice way of breaking up the winter. There was nothing quite like being able to sit out there in the first week of March or so, watch baseball, try random restaurants, and just be able to relax. And now it's gone.

Guess I'll go favorite thoughts on the trips real fast here:

-Seeing Jim Thome walk by us no more then two feet away. That is a huge man.

-Hanging out next to the fence with Clint Hurdle and Dan O'Dowd the year the Rockies went to the Series.

-Realizing that the nice part of Tucson is the east side.

-The WBC on the first trip down, which meant baseball was always on.

-Figuring out how to hit my driver.

-Finding out that there's actually a ski resort effectively in Tucson.

-Watching Willy T and Kaz Matsui fly around the bases in 2007 and thinking that the Rockies might just have something here.

-Microbreweries and the annual trip to Buffalo Wild Wings.

-Ozzie swearing in Spanish, and Hurdle calling him on it in the middle of the game.

-Pedro Jest.

God I'll miss that place. Hi Corbett is a piece of junk, but it's got my team and a decent hot dog. TEP is an incredibly comfortable and homey park, and it has my AL team. And now that the Sox are gone, it's only a matter of time before the Rox move too probably. Maybe they'll move to Glendale, and the cycle can begin anew.

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:31 PM by soxfan1
I too will miss Tucson. One spring I walked onto the U of A's spring football practice and watched 7 kickers hit field goals from 50 yards out!! That's competition. I heard that the Dodgers are charging $24 to $90 a seat for their spring games in Glendale. If the Sox think they can follow that lead there will be nobody at the games (except when the Cubbies come to town).

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:06 PM by Conor
Coco Crisp is back in the AL Central.

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081119&content_id=3684444&vkey=news_kc&fext=.jsp&c_id=kc


I wonder if those other Sox will have problems with their Kansas City bred pen arms

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:37 PM by Dr. Lingerie
Amos Dewon Fundman, welcome!

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:02 PM by Jim Margalus
Don't forget the free parking at Hi Corbett, either around the park or the very scary mall. I'd also add seeing Alexei Ramirez fall over on his first major-league swing to the list.

I like that Tucson's on the grid system, so even traffic jams weren't that bad, because there were always ways around it. It doesn't sound like that's ever the case in Phoenix. Meh.

Ramon Ramirez is interesting, because he didn't start relieving until last year, basically. So it's hard to tell if he's legit or... a Royals reliever. Crisp is a higher price than the Sox ever paid, although I wonder what he means for DeJesus' role.

# re: White Sox bid Tucson toodles

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:30 PM by knoxfire30
You have to imagine the royals will move Teahan now, but if Dejesus even becomes slightly available the sox need to pounce. I love what that guy brings to the table, he would be a great fit even though he may project a bit more as a left fielder then true centerfielder, but the sox are a team that has sent Griffey, Swisher, and Mackowiak out to center so Dejesus would be a big upgrade anyways.