posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 2:00 AM by Jim

Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Kenny Williams addressed the media upon the unofficial official beginning of the MLB offseason, but before we start analyzing his words (which he loves), let's look at what came out of his conference last season.

Here was the key part of his statement:

"So that's why it's not necessarily the personnel, in terms of the splashy move, maybe just a fit kind of thing.  It might turn out that fit is also the big-name type player, but we're setting out to find the answers. We've missed a little bit of that grind and edge and we've got to get that back."

And you could say he accomplished that.  My biggest concern was that "grind and edge" ruled out talented players (coughERSTADcough), but he ended up reeling in three definite upgrades (although Nick Swisher, the "big-name type player," didn't hold up his end of the bargain). 

Then again, Orlando Cabrera and Carlos Quentin didn't exactly bring "grind and edge" themselves.  Cabrera immediately found himself in the manager's doghouse, then spent the rest of the time in the media doghouse.  Quentin, meanwhile, transcended grinderdom and entered the realm of the obsessed and/or single-minded.  I'll take it.

Williams did give one message that ended up mixed -- an endorsement of Juan Uribe.  He called ¡Profundo! a "championship-type shortstop," but Uribe only spent 15 innings at that position

So with that in mind, let's take a look at Williams' 2008 address.

The overarching theme:

"There's nothing wrong with going young if you are good," Williams said. "If there's one thing that I hope doesn't get lost in translation, it's that we still expect to compete for a championship. We might be doing it to a younger degree, with a team that's more athletic and potentially more exciting."

The youth talk centers on Chris Getz and Josh Fields, who are penciled into the starting jobs with the softest of lead at this point.  Williams gave an endorsement of sorts to both of them:

On Getz:  "If you don't reward guys like Chris Getz for playing the game the right way, unselfishly and hard-nosed every day, what does that say to your scouts and player development personnel who are out there teaching fundamentals to 175 Minor League players"

On Fields:  "The only reason [Fields] couldn't step in when Joe Crede went down was because he was beaten up, really playing on one leg. That doesn't shake my feelings of the caliber of player that he is. "Josh proved he's a big leaguer in 2006. Do we want him to get better at third base? Yeah, but that naturally will happen because he will be playing 2009 on two legs."

(By the way, the photo on the MLB.com story once again shows Fields and the world's tiniest glove.)

So proceeding with the opinion that Williams doesn't intentionally mislead with his statements, do you see a situation in which the Sox open the season with Fields and Getz both starting?

I'm finding that difficult.  At the same time, I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario in which the Sox get dramatically younger by going outside the organization.

One reason why is because the White Sox generally trust unproven pitchers far more than unproven hitters, which is a little backwards compared to conventional wisdom, whatever that's worth.  (That could be an illustration of the difference in coaching ability between Don Cooper and Greg Walker, but that ship has sailed.)

Really, Quentin was the only young hitter the Sox traded for with the intent of starting, although perhaps not as early as he did.  The other under-30 guys have been established players with favorable contracts, along the lines of Swisher or Rob Mackowiak.

But could it be possible that the Quentin trade marks a change in philosophy?  The Sox have been redeveloping other teams' No. 1 draft picks for years in the pitching department (Matt Thornton, Gavin Floyd, John Danks), so it's not out of the question that the Sox could cycle younger by that route with the rest of the roster.

One example trade off the top of my head: Javier Vazquez for Milwaukee Brewers second baseman Rickie Weeks.  Two underperforming guys whose strengths (durability for Vazquez, athleticism for Weeks) are needed enough by the clubs in question to make up for their maddening inconsistency.  Weeks was the second overall pick in 2003 who might need a change of scenery to get out of his rut, while Vazquez could benefit by a move to a pretty weak division, Cubs aside.

I don't want to give this particular proposal too much attention because 1) it's only based on superficial needs, so therefore 2) I don't know if I like it, and 3) since I mentioned it, it won't happen anyway.  But I throw it out there as merely a way of assessing possible targets that could give Williams his goal of getting younger while staying competitive.

Like last year, I see most of Williams' objectives staying consistent throughout the offseason. However, no matter how optimistically I assess it, Getz/Fields strikes me as a spot too soft to ignore.

Update:  After posting this, I saw Joe Cowley's article which says Vazquez is likely on his way out.  He suggests Chone Figgins or Brian Roberts as possible returns, but I don't get the point of wasting him on a one-year rental.  That's what lame ducks like Jon Garland are for.

Speculation aside, Cowley has a good quote from Toby Hall, after the Sox declined his option.

Additionally, Chris De Luca lists the following players as targets:  Roberts, Figgins, Coco Crisp, Orlando Hudson.  I'm not feeling it.

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Arizona Fall League roundup:
  • Peoria 3, Surprise 2
    • Gordon Beckham singled and drew two walks in three plate appearances, scoring once.
    • Carlos Torres picked up the win with a scoreless inning, although he walked two.

Comments

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 9:20 AM by Fundman
Hey Jim

The link to the Toby quote actually links back to your post, not the Cowley article.

I, like you, am not thrilled with the Figgins talk but it does solve another potential problem - who's going to hit lead-off? I guess it's the "winner" of the Getz/Nix competition, but I see Getz as more of a lower order guy, or am I mistaken.

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 9:34 AM by Grinder in Training
The Cowley article is linked two sentences above.. and I like Toby's comment. Obviously doesn't have much of an ego. Considering what the market is, I think he's the best option we have this year. There just isn't much out there and he wasn't a disaster at the plate.

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 10:35 AM by Jim Margalus
I'd like to see Swisher lead off, unless somebody can convince me that his problems last year were due to hitting first. People keep saying that, but it doesn't make any sense that he would be terrific for two weeks and then suck. And then he continued to struggle even after dropping down. So either he had no problems leading off, or his reaction time leaves a lot to be desired.

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 10:39 AM by Jim Margalus
Oh -- and Vazquez can't be traded for Figgins because Javy has a no-trade clause for all AL West and NL West teams. So I'm not sure why that was even raised in the first place.

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 10:49 AM by Andrew
I'd just like to point out that Darrin Erstad is once again a free agent.

Suffice to say, this gives me nightmares.

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 11:22 AM by bobleeswagger
I would LOVE to see Swisher back in the leadoff spot. I still don't understand why Orlando Cabrera and his .334 OBP was a better option than Swish in the leadoff spot. And '09 can't possibly be a worse year at the plate for Swish than '08... can it?

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 12:44 PM by Joist
The White Sox haven't been a particularly "forward-thinking" organization in recent years, so things like the Swisher and Quentin trades (high-OBP guys), and the placement of Swisher into the leadoff spot, came as surprises to me.

It was fashionable to credit the Sox's offensive turnaround to Ozzie putting Cabrera and AJ in the 1 and 2 holes in the order, despite two below-average OBPs. I don't think that had much to do with it, but who knows?

The point is, targeting a guy because he's a "leadoff hitter" is, in my mind, a mistake, because, much like a closer, that need can be filled in a number of ways, without having to pay the extra money (or trade the better guys) because the player in question has the Leadoff Hitter label.

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 1:23 PM by bigsether
The Javy for Weeks thing is the best trade I've heard thus far. It's a win win for both teams and although Weeks has struggled in Milwaukee, he does have talent that the Sox, particularly Ozzie, could work with. I see Weeks as a guy that could potentially respond to a guy like Guillen's no nonsense just play hard approach.

Also, does anyone know why CC wasn't on the players who filed for free agency list?

AND, how is it determined whether a player is a type a or b free agent?

# re: Parsing Kenny Williams' annual preamble

Friday, October 31, 2008 3:59 PM by Jim Margalus
"It was fashionable to credit the Sox's offensive turnaround to Ozzie putting Cabrera and AJ in the 1 and 2 holes in the order, despite two below-average OBPs. I don't think that had much to do with it, but who knows?"

I think it had to do more with Thome, but I think by that time, it was "If it ain't broke..." theory. And Cabrera actually had a .341 OBP from the leadoff spot, for what it's worth.

Sabathia is probably willing to give the Brewers a window to see what they can do. He has two weeks to file, so it's probably a courtesy.

Elias has a trivial formula. Click my name for the link that pretty much has it figured out.