posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:00 AM by Jim

Free association with free agents

Oakland's re-signing of Mark Ellis sent me to the list of free agents to see who else might 1) be available for a reasonable price, and 2) actually make a difference on the 2009 White Sox.

The results aren't encouraging.  Not that Ellis was incredible, what with the bad shoulder and entering the Roberto Alomar Collapse Age For Second Basemen Territory, but he theoretically could have offered improvements in three separate categories.  It's hard to find many transformational figures that fit in the Sox's plan, otherwise, though there are plenty of gap-fillers like Mark Grudzielanek.

Orlando Hudson is a similar ballplayer with two big differences: One is scary road splits in the weaker league, and the other is that he's a Type A free agent.  It's hard to see him getting a shorter contract than three years, which pretty much eliminates all utility of signing Hudson considering they could be well-stocked at the position by the time Gordon Beckham rolls around.

I'm not particularly excited, otherwise, but take a look at the list and tell me if there's anybody that interests you.

Meanwhile, I'm going to spout off some immediate reactions from the list:

Josh Bard is perhaps the most credible backup catcher replacement for Toby Hall on the list, but it's hard to tell if he's worse at throwing out runners, or San Diego's staff is that bad at holding them.  They're pretty much a staff full of Freddy Garcias when it comes to delivery time to the plate.

Ray Durham would be fun.  But at that point, they're better off sticking Ramirez and Durham in the short gaps in the outfield, pinch Paul Konerko and Josh Fields (or whoever) at the corners and just try catching every fly ball that's hit.  Tadahito Iguchi, same thing, although he hasn't proven he has two fully functioning arms yet.

Jerry Hairston played only six games at shortstop in his first 10 seasons as a big leaguer.  He played 34 games there last year, and at age 32, to boot.  That's kind of backwards.

Hank Blalock would've been a good thought if Joe Crede hadn't fallen victim to the Scott Boras mindmeld.  For most of their careers, they were the exact same player offensively -- except Blalock couldn't hit lefties, and Crede could.  In another world, they would've made a pretty entertaining platoon.  Kind of like how Cleveland got a .319/.376/.534 line from Ben Broussard, Eduardo Perez and Ryan Garko two years ago.

Nomar Garciaparra almost joined the White Sox before the '04 season, when he was rumored to be involved in a three-way trade that would've sent Magglio Ordonez to Boston.  I bring this up because Kenny Williams traded for Ken Griffey Jr. a few months ago.  You've been warned.

Casey Blake makes a lot of sense ... if you really don't want Josh Fields, but think he has some trade value.  Those two seem to be mutually exclusive right now.  But since we talked about Dave Cook yesterday, Blake's another example of a slow climber/late bloomer.

And I still don't see any fifth starter options better than Clayton Richard.

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Arizona Fall League roundup:
  • Peoria Javelinas 18, Peoria Saguaros 11
    • Not a good day for Lucas Harrell, who allowed six runs on four hits and two walks over 1 1/3 innings.  He only threw 25 of 45 pitches for strikes.
    • Derek Rodriguez was worse: 1 1/3 IP, 7 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 0 K.
    • Aaron Poreda... one perfect inning, two strikeouts.  Phew.
    • Stefan Gartrell walked twice in three plate appearances.

Comments

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:11 AM by Grinder in Training
I'd like to see what Richard can do in a full season, but another young pitcher would mean we might need to go the bullpen a lot. Danks and Floyd pitched more innings then they ever have this year so who knows how their health will be in 2009, and then if you add a rookie pitcher, it looks like it'd be a lot of strain on a bullpen. An innings eater like Jon Garland might be nice to have even if he isn't as good as Richard at this point in his career.

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:07 AM by bobleeswagger
What are Uribe and Getz's splits against righties and lefties? I wonder if platooning those two at 2B could be effective with the other serving as a utility man. It could be an inexpensive band-aid for a team that is beginning to look like it has more and more holes.

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:33 AM by soxfan1
That is a pretty unimpressive list of free agents. Given my theme of trying to get younger and faster there are really no fits on that list for the Sox. Kenny will have to pull a couple of rabbits out of his hat again through trades or signing the unknown. With all of the scouts and recruiting personnel that have been fired across MLB there must be some players who have fallen through the cracks south of the border.

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:36 AM by UribeAuction
I wouldn't mind Casey Blake, but he'd be smart to maximize on whatever value he has at this point in his career. He probably wouldn't be worth the contract.

I'm still on the Adrian Beltre bandwagon if the Sox could get Seattle to pay some of his salary. It seems like he's been around forever, but he's only 29. Maybe a move from Safeco to U.S. Cellular would bump his stats up a bit, but I'd take a .270/25/80 line from him (again, if the Mariners paid some of his $13 million or so salary).

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:46 PM by striker
I'm not a huge Hudson fan. I'd like to see the depth charts of other teams to see where they have surpluses at positions. Thats how we got Quentin.

Despite his bad year. I like the sounds of Beltre at third. Maybe we put a package centered around Fields for him and extend his contract ala Freddy Garcia. A hitters park and a fresh scene could be huge for him.

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:54 PM by HydeParkSox
Any chance the Sox make a run at Garland in FA or were some bridges burned when he was traded?

At 2B/SS (depending where you put Ramirez), I think we need to sign a FA. If we try to fill that gap with guys like Uribe or Getz, I think we are taking a huge step back. Guys like Hudson, Eckstein (have not heard his name but should be on the radar), and Punto would be great guys to have for 2-3 years until Beckham is ready.

Keep in mind that we won the AL Central this year and should not be in "rebuilding" mode. We have 4 of our top 5 starters returning, at least 3 great arms in the bullpen (Jenks, Thornton and Linebrink), 2 young/great players in Ramirez and Quintin along with 4 or 5 extremely solid major leaguers (Pierzynski, Thome, Kornerko, Dye, Swisher). If we could sign a Free Agent 2B, CF, and starting pitcher then I think we are in great shape.

The other option is to trade Dye for two "good" players to fill two holes instead of one or trade Konerko for a good CF or 2B and play Swish at 1B.

Finally, I wish we were being mentioned with one of these top FA pitchers like Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe, Dempster, Garland, Penny or Sheets. Granted, some of them have "issues" but it would be nice to be in the conversation. Then again, Kenny usually ends up signing someone or trading for someone when NOBODY knows it's coming!!!!

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:16 PM by Conor
"trade Konerko for a good CF or 2B and play Swish at 1B."

I don't think anyone would have traded a "good" player at one of those positions for Konerko last offseason, and now that 5 and 10 has kicked in, its sort of a moot point. Players like Konerko are always more valuable to whoever already has him, and his insignificant trade value goes down even more since he can't, you know, be traded.

I'm not high on Beltre. Dealing with that team seems it might lead to a quagmire (do they even know who runs the operation at this point?)and his skill set doesn't match what we need. I don't know what kind of glove he sports at the corner but he seems like an all-or-nothing hitter without the benefit of significant power. I don't like the market for that position anyways, but I'd take a chance on a role player like Blake who doesn't have an insane contract stuck to his forehead. Unless he's Jeff Kent, I don't think Beckham will make any sort of an impact this year, but I'd like to see Josh Fields live up to his 30/30 potential. Maybe Robin can give him some pointers; wasn't he "questionable at best" when he started?

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:28 PM by Jim Margalus
Two Seattle notes:

1. They just hired a GM (click name for link). How much power he has is another question.

2. Beltre has a fantastic glove, rated better than Crede's best by most metrics. I actually like him quite a bit, too.

# re: Free association with free agents

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:33 PM by chisoxt
'That is a pretty unimpressive list of free agents. Given my theme of trying to get younger and faster there are really no fits on that list for the Sox'

The only way the Sox get faster and younger is through player development. Even the trade route is becoming difficult as GMs are catching on that baseball is becoming a young man's game.

# re: Free association with free agents

Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:13 AM by Jim Margalus
"The only way the Sox get faster and younger is through player development. Even the trade route is becoming difficult as GMs are catching on that baseball is becoming a young man's game."

Pretty much, which is why Williams keeps going after vets. In terms of cash, they're more expensive, but in terms of the so-so prospects the Sox have, he's at least getting some level of certainty in big-league production. Beckham's got a lot of pressure on him.

Also, re: Garland, his peripherals were awful last year, and in a bigger ballpark. I think I'd rather have a Pavano type, who would be more likely to sign for a one-year deal. The Sox can't afford to pump that much more into the rotation with Contreras on the shelf for half the year.

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On another fun note, somehow mentioning Bard really pissed somebody off. Reading the comments on the last Merkin mailbag I mentioned before:

"One thing is that I can't believe the source "Sox Machine" actually considered picking up Josh Bard..... f that."

# re: Free association with free agents

Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:23 AM by soxfan1
Remember Kenny got Ramirez & Quentin through a FA signing and a trade. It's difficult to get younger and faster that way BUT it is possible. I'd take Beltre, even though he's not young or fast, if we could get him at a reasonable cost. The new Seattle GM has to do "something".

# re: Free association with free agents

Monday, October 27, 2008 9:47 AM by BigHurt
I still like to think something can be done with Joe Crede.Joe has said Yes he has Scott Boras but he will be the one making the decision not Scott.Joe seems to love being in Chicago but having a manager who rips him for an injury that he knows nothing about I believe is the problem not the agent.Joe saves a ton of runs with his glove and when on his game nobody is more clutch on that team so lets hope so.Whatever happens at third please Kenny no Juan Uribe full time who thinks he is the second coming of Babe Ruth everytime he comes up to the plate.Nice off the bench but a rally killer