posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:59 AM by Jim

The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Joe Cowley Twitters twice:

Talk around the clubhouse is one, and maybe two, players could be sent packing tomorrow. The Reaper is a coming kids. Lock the doors. [...]

This means you Juan Uribe, who may have played his last game on the South Side.

If Pablo Ozuna isn't before him, color me confused.  At least he won't be starting, as Alexei Ramirez was dubbed the second baseman for the opener against the Twins

As much as I like Ozuna, I can't figure out what the post-broken-leg version of the Secret Weapon offers anymore.  He's noticeably slower, he doesn't have much of a glove anywhere (his inability to make an exchange cost Javier Vazquez a complete game), the little power he had is gone, and he had some swings in the last two games of the Toronto series that made it look like his walleye vision prescription ran out.

I watched the ninth inning of Monday night's 1-0 loss to the Blue Jays on DVR with knowledge of the game's outcome, so I didn't have the opportunity to first-guess.  But watching the events unfold, I wondered if a suicide squeeze might have been the better call.  Conventional wisdom says to play for the win on the road, but with the way Ozuna is swinging the bat, that may have been an impossible request.  Not completely blowing bunts is the only thing Ozuna has accomplished at the plate in weeks.

(I'm not a fan of second-guessing without making a decision right along with it, because anybody can do hindsight.  But I am curious whether that thought crossed anybody's mind watching the game in real time.)

Uribe may have frustrated the Sox by not running on a weak chopper to short and testing David Eckstein's even weaker arm, but if they're going to eat somebody's salary, may as well start with the one that's $3 million cheaper.  By the way, I thought this Mark Gonzalez Hardball entry regarding the possible cutting of Uribe was missing something:

But the high standards set for this season, combined with the six-game losing streak, could result in a bold move. Cutting an unproductive veteran could be costly, but the Blue Jays have won five consecutive games -- two weeks after cutting veteran Frank Thomas and eating most of his bulky salary.

Considering the Jays won four of those games by scoring 12 runs combined -- eight of them either unearned or scored after a blown call -- it seems like they could still use a Frank Thomas.  The Big Hurt is hitting .270/.400/.378 with the A's, compared to .166/.306/.333 in Toronto.

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Speaking of first guesses, Adam Russell will return to the minors as the Sox return to the United States.  Russell's line over four days: 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 0 G, 0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K.  He may have stood up in the bullpen once.

Meanwhile, Ozuna had to hit with the bases loaded in the ninth inning against Toronto's closer because the only other options on the bench were ... a migraine-suffering Joe Crede, Russell and the rest of the bullpen.  Brian Anderson had pinch-run for Paul Konerko and A.J. Pierzynski had hit for Toby Hall, so that was it.

I don't want to beat the Josh Fields point into the ground (even though he could've been playing third instead of Ozuna Monday), but rather highlight the odd decision to go with 13 pitchers and 12 position players when the offense -- especially the bench -- is so very awful right now.

It comes down to a newfound emphasis on long relievers, something the White Sox didn't have in 2005 and more than half of 2007.  And they only had one in 2006 because they didn't have room for Brandon McCarthy in the rotation, and there was no use sending him back to Triple-A.  Long relief was an uneasy compromise, one that ended up leaving nobody happy.

This year, the Sox found themselves not being to go without a long reliever for four days -- even though they haven't needed Nick Masset aside from the spot start.   He came in handy Opening Day and took an extended beating against the Twins April 9, but from that point to his start last Wednesday, he was used three times over three weeks, and two of those occasions were in blowout victories. 

Sure enough, Sox starters nearly threw three complete games, rendering Russell useless while having to bat Ozuna or Jim Thome in situations where they had little chance of succeeding.  Hopefully we won't have to see 13 pitchers for quite some time, because the Sox need as many possibilities on the bench as possible to counter the numerous late-game disadvantages they'll face.

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Speaking of first guesses, Toby Hall is starting to live up to my advantages.

With a double in today's game, Hall raised his OPS to .619.  That's more than 100 points over the magic .515 mark, which is the line that officially determines whether the Hall signing ended up being a complete waste, or just 99 percent of one.

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Minor league roundup
  • Charlotte 5, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, 0
    • Lance Broadway struggled through five shutout innings.  He walked gave up five hits and walked four, but saved himself by stranding runners on second and third in three of his five innings.
    • Oneli Perez (2 IP), Jason Childers (1 IP) and Mike MacDougal (1 IP) preserved the shutout.
    • Brad Eldred, Chris Getz, Paul Phillips and Fernando Cortez all had two hits, with Eldred hitting his eighth homer.
    • Jerry Owens and Jason Bourgeois each went 0-for-5; Josh Fields did not play.
  • Montgomery 2, Birmingham 1
    • Clayton Richard pitched seven strong innings in defeat, allowing two hits on seven hits.  He had two strikeouts and zero walks.
    • Leadoff man Robert Valido went 2-for-4 to raise his average to .158.
  • Lynchburg 7, Winston-Salem 6
    • John Ely suffered his first bad outing, giving up six runs on 12 hits over four innings.  At least he didn't walk anybody.
    • Javier Colina went 4-for-5 with three doubles; Brandon Allen hit two doubles as well.
    • John Shelby hit his fourth homer, a two-run shot, but also struck out three times.
  • Kannapolis 13, Lake County 8
    • Jose Martinez hit his first homer, part of a 3-for-6, three-RBI day.
    • Christian Marrero drove in four with a pair of doubles.
    • Jim Gallagher and Logan Johnson joined Martinez with three hits; Sergio Morales and John Curtis each hit two doubles.
    • Nathan Jones struck out eight in five innings, allowing two runs for his first win.

Comments

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:32 AM by ballsdeep
Uribe and Ozuna are garbage. I have to think Alexei Ramirez, however, is one of the guys being mentioned. I'd rather see him get the at bats and playing time than Uribe and or Ozuna.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:44 AM by soxfan1
I agree that Ozuna & Uribe should go, but I'm not going to get my hopes up, Ozzie loves both of them. Uribe is the same player he has always been , but Ozuna has surprised me. He has none of the quickness or hitting ability that he had in 2006. Can Swisher play second base????? Just Kidding.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:06 AM by Jim Margalus
"Ozzie loves both of them."

The same Ozzie who suggested his son might be able to play second better than Ozuna and Uribe?

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:11 AM by ballsdeep
I think Ozzie used to love them, but there comes a time when reality sneaks up and bites you directly in your @ss.

Personally, I'd get Fields and Getz up here now. Not going to make much difference, really. Can they be any worse than these two guys? Probably not. And even if they are, they're younger and cheaper, plus would be getting MLB at bats off the bench.

Getting Getz up to Chicago would mean moving Shelby up to Charlotte. They really need to begin fluxing some youth into the higher end of the system. One 6 game losing streak and suddenly everyone begins to realize the team is one dimensional and aging?

You can't have a team predicated on walks and home runs going up there hacking away because they're worried about their batting averages. When Crede gets a migraine and Pablo Ozuna is your bench option, that's a big problem. Uribe and Ozuna should be in Mexico or Japan, let alone Charlotte or Chicago.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:24 AM by Jim Margalus
And it's easy to see why Ozuna was a favorite -- effort and conditioning was never in question, he played any position Ozzie asked him to (he's the emergency catcher and nearly pitched in the WS), and by all accounts, he's a positive influence in the clubhouse. But with his talents, he can't be even 1 percent injured without losing effectiveness.

Getz might not be a bad idea, but he's nothing special with the glove and doesn't offer much pop with the bat. I can see him being overmatched easily right now, but he might be worth a try.

Shelby, on the other hand, has to get his hamstring right first. He's played all his games at DH since returning. After that, he has to go to Double-A. For one, that's where a lot of teams store their best arms, and Birmingham's park will say a lot about Shelby's power. That's the same park where Ryan Sweeney hit 1 homer in a season and Chris Young hit 26, so it's a pretty good litmus test.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:12 AM by ballsdeep
I know Getz is nothing special, but at this point he can't be much worse than the guys they have now.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:14 AM by biganutz
I don't think 2 players have anything to do with what's going on. There are 7 other hitters on the lineup, no one can get this offense started. They traded a whole lot for a fat center fielder. Jim Thome and his usual strike outs. Jermain Dye can't get a hit. There are a lot of unconditioned plyers. Ozuna, Uribe are just a couple of players doing what they do. So much for bringing in some "swagger", this team needs to start praying ! LOOKS TO MUCH LIKE 2007 but with better pitching.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:44 AM by onlysoxfaninboston
this is going to be a long post, fyi...

i'm rather indifferent to uribe getting cut. if i had to make the decision, sure ozuna goes first. but whether uribe hits 9th or not doesn't make much of a difference with the sox offensive output in the course of a season. defensively, we'll miss him for sure, and he would be useful to have on the bench playing multiple IF positions. but whether he's on the bench or not i don't think makes a difference between a 77 win team and a team above .500.

while i rather have alexie get his AB's in AAA, management appear content to let him take his lumps here.

this isn't team that was supposed to compete (for the playoffs) based on numerous preseason predictions (not KW's mind you), but overall, i'm pleased with the sox starting pitching and the development of carlos quentin. a fine stud he is. i also think swish will come around. that outfield is so much better than last year and that's a couple steps forward. i'm also curious about crede. if we're out of contention, i hope joe can do us a favor with performance (0.285, 0.33, 0.5) so we can trade him for more than a bag of balls. unless we can get more than a b pick by him leaving.

i'm not basing this on a 30 game sample, but suppose thome doesn't live up to previous seasons for much of the season (sub .800 OPS), should KW cut him and eat his salary too? IF uribe is cut, unreasonable or not, this move should be considered a warning shot to the other underperforming vets in the line-up.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:50 PM by ballsdeep
"Fat centerfielder"??? Huh? Nick Swisher has actually been a bit of a surprise defensively in center field and his on base percentage isn't out of the leadoff spot has been adequate to this point. CF is not his natural position, but he's playing out there because Kenny Williams just had to have Jermaine Dye for two more years and wouldn't pull the trigger on sending Konerko to Anaheim or Arizona. Either way, Swisher has done a pretty good job all things considered. Maybe a move down the line will get his averages up in the next few weeks.

Come spring, I actually found the conditioning of certain individuals to be pretty solid. Konerko, Thome, Pierzynski all looked to be in much better shape than in previous years. Not sure if the Mitchell Report had anything to do with that, but I digress. Everyone should have known this was a lineup based on walks and home runs that was mostly on the wrong side of 30.

Yeah, it goes beyond just two players, but at this point you may as well jettison the two of them now and get younger, fresher people up here who could probably equal if not surpass what Uribe and Ozuna have done offensively. Which to this point, is nothing. Uribe and Ozuna don't compliment this roster in any way.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:59 PM by Conor
"I actually found the conditioning of certain individuals to be pretty solid. Konerko, Thome, Pierzynski all looked to be in much better shape than in previous years. Not sure if the Mitchell Report had anything to do with that, but I digress."

What does that imply? Are you suggesting that steroid users acquire more physical vitality once they get off the stuff?

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:00 PM by Jim Margalus
I think the decisions on Ozuna and Uribe have a bigger impact than it appears. If the Sox are on the fringe of contending this year, they'll need every decision on the margins to go right. The Sox don't have players who can carry a team on its back, so they're going to have to have help from as many people as possible.

Ozuna is of no help. Uribe might have value on the roster depending on what they ultimately choose to do with Ramirez and the second base position. He's not a bad utility infielder, overpaid as he is, but he and Ramirez serve pretty much the same purpose.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:02 PM by Jim Margalus
"What does that imply? Are you suggesting that steroid users acquire more physical vitality once they get off the stuff?"

I thought it was merely a reference to weight loss, like what Ivan Rodriguez went through. But I didn't get the fat CF reference, either. Swisher has been a pleasant surprise out there.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:46 PM by onlysoxfaninboston
I just don't think this team is even on the fringe of contending assuming Ozzie utilizes the line-up adequately (with Uribe in it, and Ozzie has shown that he can early on (see Swish in #1 and CQ in #2 slots)) and assuming the offense regresses towards the mean because it has too. This largely rests on a baseless assumption that its going to take 93/94 wins to win the division. I still think that's possible even with Cleveland's and Detroit's slow start.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:46 PM by ballsdeep
It isn't just our boys. Take a look around MLB and look how lean some of these dudes are.

Whatever the case and for whatever the reasons, I thought our guys looked to be in GREAT shape back in spring. Konerko, Thome and Pierzynski in particular looked very trim compared to when we last saw them in September. Even Uribe looked better, though he still sucks.

Swisher is a guy to build around right now. He isn't your dad's centerfielder, fast and built like a 12 year old girl, but what he lacks as being eye candy he makes up for with actually getting good jumps and executing. Kinda like baserunning, where guys with track speed get terrible jumps trying to steal or make poor decisions while on base.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:00 PM by biganutz
When you look at a true center fielder Swisher is bigger than almost all of them. Its not his natural position, he's doing a good job out there because of the strong pitching. I just didn't agree with trading 3 prospects for him. Us fans were supposed to enjoy this years team. The sox are back doing the same old things, losing prospects, and getting older. Once Swisher can get the bat going and not just this year but for the rest of his contract, then I'll be a believer. I never expressed how I feel about my team on the internet, I guesse I'm venting at times. I don't study the stats, I just watch all the games and could feel the loser sox and the winner sox. Right now we STINK. but I'll always be a proud White Sox Fan.

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:10 PM by biganutz
Let's go Sox

PICKS TO CLICK: Orlando Cabrera

# re: The Secret Weapon: Disarmed? (updated)

Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:07 PM by ballsdeep
There is still time for "us fans" to enjoy this season. This is the first full week of May. The 6 game losing streak is over, the world is still round and it is plenty warm down in hell. Relax...don't do it.

Yes, Swisher is "bigger" than most center fielders and should be at a corner OF spot. But he isn't. And having him there is better than having Podsednik, Erstad, Owens or whatever other grindy speedy turd Sox fans seem to love so much despite the fact that they suck.

Getting Swisher is just the kind of trade the Sox need if they want to stay competitive on the short AND long term. They did not get older by adding him. Ryan Sweeney is nothing special, Gio didn't make the Oakland roster and is having control problems. Have De Los Santos bites them down the road. I suppose Swisher being produce, not just this year but for the rest of his contract, would make believers out of everyone.