posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:02 AM by Jim

The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Joe Cowley relayed a couple of interesting and depressing notes highlighting the depths of the White Sox slump during today's loss to the Toronto Blue Jays:
Here's another one -- the Sox saw exactly four 2-0 counts, which is what they have averaged since the start of the series against the Twins Tuesday.  They entered the two-game set averaging over 7 2-0 counts a game.

(For comparison, the free-swinging Twins have the lowest amount of 2-0 counts in their favor at 5.14 per game.)

Making matters worse, two of them were courtesy of Shaun Marcum's inability to hit the mitt at the end of his start.  He couldn't have thrown a strike if he wanted to, and looking at the game logs, pitchers haven't shied away from throwing strikes.

There's a chicken/egg dilemma in this stat, because it's hard to tell if the Sox are struggling because pitchers are getting ahead, or pitchers are getting ahead because the Sox offense is in the toilet.  Today's game showed it goes both ways.  In the fourth:



And in the sixth, when they were keying on the first pitch:



For what it's worth, the latter was a much better looking inning.  Joe Crede doubled off the very top of the wall in left center, and then Nick Swisher hit a rocket ... right at Lyle Overbay.

It's easy to say the Sox should try swinging at first strikes more after watching Marcum and Co. pour in 20 first-pitch strikes to 31 batters, but that might only compound problems.  If guys like Paul Konerko are uncomfortable swinging at the first pitch, asking them to go up hacking might have the same effect as asking them to hit from the opposite side of the plate.

Then again, getting ahead in the count might not help the Sox out much after all.  They're hitting .218 after 2-0 counts, 80 points under the league average and second-worst in the AL.

Maybe the Sox should look at Chuckie Carr as a hitting coach.

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Speaking of hitting coaches, Ozzie Guillen says Greg Walker isn't going anywhere:

“That's not going to happen,’’ Guillen said of a possible coaching change to try and remedy the slumping offense. “To be honest with you, I don't think we need coaches. Look at the lineup. Everyone is a veteran, everyone knows what they're doing, everyone has experience, everyone went through it. I think you can ask the players. I'm not going to blame Walker about it. Greg is not a babysitter."

“Greg gives the best information and works hard, works harder than anybody and ‘Walk’ sometimes takes this game too deeply, too serious. I bet you one guy who is sick to his stomach now is him. It's not easy to be a hitting coach, it's not easy.’’

I'll admit that the firing of hitting and pitching coaches is an inconsistent practice and often a panic move that yields no reward.  But here are some things I do know about this particular situation:

No. 1:  Once again, allow me to cite the circumstances that led to Gary Ward's dismissal back in May 2003.  I don't need to add anything else since the situation surrounding Walker hasn't changed.  Performance-wise, the only difference between Walker and Ward is that Walker has a World Series ring.

No. 2:  The one hitter who hasn't slumped since the first two weeks of the season is the guy who makes his own sauce adjustments:



Which reminds me of the question I never got answered.

No. 3:  Walker probably does work hard, but advance scouting has come into question more than once.

That said, I'm not digging the message Ozzie is transmitting here.  Let's blow up one sentence in particular:

To be honest with you, I don't think we need coaches.

Considering the circumstances, I don't think it's a stretch to interpret it as a form of graft:

To be honest with you, I don't feel coaches make a difference, so I may as well keep a friend of mine on the payroll because we've had some good times together and he seems to have a fair amount of emotional investment.

If this is Ozzie's real mindset (and not a red herring of a quote), then the Sox don't figure to have any hope against control pitchers with changeups or lefties because the hitters are who they are.  It's almost like the Sox are taking the Leslie Nielsen school of putting and applying it to hitting.  To paraphrase, in order to hit changeups tomorrow, they'll have to hit changeups today.  And the only way to be able to hit changeups today is to be able to hit them yesterday.

Yesterday, in terms of the Sox, was 2007.  Great times ahead.

By the way, I'd never looked up Greg Walker's career splits until today.  Here's what they look like:
  • vs. RHP: .274/.339/.479
  • vs. LHP: .224/.289/.368
And his career ended in 1990, which means he played largely before the specialization craze.

Just something to think about.

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Minor league roundup:
  • Birmingham 2, Charlotte 0
    • Carlos Torres threw six shutout innings for the second straight outing.  He allowed only two hits and a walk, and struck out five.
    • Derek Rodriguez (2 IP) and Jon Link (1 IP) preserved the shutout.
    • Maurice Stefan Gartrell had two hits and two RBI.
    • Dave Cook had two hits, and Jared Price hit a solo homer.
  • Winston-Salem 8, Wilmington 5
    • John Shelby blasted three homers on the second game back from his hamstring injury, driving in five.
    • Brandon Allen and C.J. Retherford also added solo homers.  The wind was blowing out to center at 10 m.p.h.
    • Paulo Orlando had three hits out of the leadoff spot.
    • Matt Long allowed two unearned runs over five innings, striking out five.  He allowed four hits and two walks.
  • Charlotte vs. Buffalo PPD
  • Kannapolis vs. Lake County PPD

Comments

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:48 AM by ChicagoPete
The Sox seem to have two completely different philosophies with their pitching and hitting coaches. Cooper seems very cerebral, constantly analyzing his staff and coming up with an individual plan for each pitcher to maximize his skills. You listen to him talk about Contreras, and he's always talking about his optimal mechanics and arm slots and so on. You hear him talk about Danks and it's more about how to attack batters, the mental aspect of it. It's obvious that Cooper is a real student of the game, and spends a ton of time studying film.

Walker? Have you ever heard him say something like, "Joe is dropping his front shoulder too much and that's why he's popping it up. We're working with him on that"? IIRC correctly from his playing days, he had a beautiful, classic swing and was a dead pull hitter with decent power and not much discipline. I know he had injury issues, but he was out of the league pretty quick for someone with that much talent. As a player I would guess he just relied on his talent and didn't want to overthink anything - sound familiar?

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:34 AM by soxfan1
Good analysis by Chicago Pete! I don't think Ozzie will make any coaching changes during the season, though. Maybe it's time for Kenny to make a trade or two. Either Danks or Floyd could bring in a contact hitter, but that would be stupid in the long run. Could we get anything for Contreras, Dye or Thome?? Probably not with those salaries. It looks like we are screwed for 2008 already.

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 11:39 AM by biganutz
Like ChicagoPete I agree. Walker is more a players coach, he probably goes out with the young guys and gets drunk. He and Cooper are different when it comes to their jobs. Cooper earns his respect, Walker just seems like a good guy but he stinks at his job, whatever that may be. Walker does have a ring but I remember the team average being low. Jim what's the white sox batting average since Walkers been around ?

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 1:01 PM by El Duque's Raft
Jim, when I read the same Ozzie quotes about Walker, I must say was extremely disappointed. The way they read, it's almost like Ozzie being loud and defiant, saying no matter what, nothing is going to change. However, when I saw the comments on TV, Ozzie's tone was not what I expected. It almost sounded like if the hitters don't shape up, he's kind of resigned to the fate of his coaches. I know it's dangerous to try to interpret Ozzie's tone but something about it just struck me as strange. I just don't see Kenny sitting on his hands this year and waiting for their guys to hit. He's going to be more proactive than reactive. Since it's a lot easier to replace a hitting coach than your 1,2,3,4, and 5 hitters, that could be the avenue they go down more than some might think.

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 1:28 PM by Jim Margalus
In defense of Walker, it's possible that he has helped people mechanically, but hasn't said anything. He appears to have no semblance of an ego, so maybe he just prefers to have all credit go to the players. I don't like rooting for people to lose their jobs, but I'm more countering the concept that replacing Walker would be crazy, or that those suggesting it don't have a brain, as Reinsdorf has said.

Thanks for that, EDR. It's always dangerous to interpret anything Ozzie says as the truth, much less his tone, but it's all we have to work with.

Cabrera just took a great pitch on 2-0. At least strikeouts rack up the pitch count.

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 1:53 PM by biganutz
PICKS TO CLICK: white sox offense

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 3:58 PM by El Duque's Raft
As far as the whole Gary Ward thing, I'm pretty sure there was more to him getting canned than the team hitting poorly. I don't remember what article or who I heard it from, but I'm almost positive it was Cowley. It was something along the lines of Ward basically sleeping through meetings and telling to the players to piss off when they came to him with questions. Walker basically seems like the complete opposite of that. Hard worker, nice guy, always there to help, unfortunately it's just not working right now and while I highly doubt he's 100% at fault, the longer this continues, something is going to give.

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:16 PM by Salty Dog
Can I apply for the position? I can be a players coach! I can sit on the bench and not fix things! I don't fix things all the time! I'd be perfect!

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Monday, May 05, 2008 1:26 AM by Conor
"I know he had injury issues, but he was out of the league pretty quick for someone with that much talent."

Wasn't Walk the guy who almost dropped dead of a sudden seizure in the middle of a game? I thought that was why he retired.

# re: The 2008 White Sox: No coaching required

Monday, May 05, 2008 1:54 AM by Jim Margalus
From what I understand, the seizure ended Walker's '88 season, but a shoulder injury is what cut his career short the following year.

Re: EDR, you're right that there was some conflict between Ward and Jerry Manuel -- but the slump was far shorter and far less severe than the one Sox hitters have experienced the last seven to 10 baseball months.