posted on Friday, April 18, 2008 2:52 AM by Jim

Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Last year, the White Sox were soundly criticized for hitting too many solo homers.  In Thursday night's depressing loss to Baltimore, they were a godsend. 

Solo shots by Carlos Quentin (twice) and Joe Crede did the job, helping to regain a lead for a starter and provide an insurance run that stretched a lead to three, one that should have been insurmountable.

As Quentin's eighth-inning opposite-field blast showed, the Sox will be better off hitting more solo homers, because if Sox hitters don't score themselves off relief pitching, who will?

That home run was one of only two hits off Oriole relievers over four innings, and the only run the Sox have scored off relief pitchers in the last 14 1/3 innings.  It's too early to state anything definitively, but for all the trends and patterns the 2008 team has bucked so far, the Sox still find themselves struggling with relief pitching.

Entering Thursday, the Sox were fourth in the American League in OPS, but ninth in OPS against relievers and falling.  Their .246 batting average is an improvement over the .229 average  posted against bullpens in 2007, but it's only good for 12th in the American League.

In a way, the continued struggles against relief pitchers are even more troubling because the Sox are shortening starting pitchers' outings with their increased patience at the plate, and it's almost turning an advantage into a disadvantage.

There's no reason to press the panic button yet -- it's not like they've gone 61 consecutive at-bats without a hit or anything -- but it is something to keep in mind.  Advance scouting was called into question last year in the spat between A.J. Pierzynski and Greg Walker, and after Opening Day as well.

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If you read past the halfway point
of multimedia machine Joe Cowley's column praising of Kenny Williams, it's actually pretty interesting, with regards to how Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn engage in trade talks.

Cowley also tried to steal bases on A.J. Pierzynski and is going nuts on Twitter.

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Minor league roundup:
  • Charlotte 10, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre 2
    • Jerry Owens went 3-for-5 and stole two bases, and threw a runner out at home.
    • Josh Fields went 2-for-5 with two RBI, struck out the other three times and committed an error.
    • Brad Eldred had a homer and three RBI; Donny Lucy hit a three-run homer.
    • Wes Whisler allowed two unearned runs over 5 2/3 innings, lowering his ERA to 1.08.
    • Ehren Wassermann struck out two in a perfect ninth.
  • Birmingham 6, Mississippi 5
    • Fernando Hernandez picked up the win in his return to the Barons, throwing a scoreless inning.
    • Micah Schnurstein had his first real big game, going 3-for-5 with a run and an RBI.
    • Robert Hudson had two hits and two RBI; Cole Armstrong had two hits to raise his average to .152.
  • Frederick 7, Winston-Salem 2
    • Ricky Brooks was roughed up for five runs over four innings.
    • Matt Long pitched well for once, allowing one run over three innings, with three strikeouts and no walks.
    • Lee Cruz had two of the Warthogs' six hits.
  • Augusta 4, Kannapolis 2
    • Levi Maxwell and Wander Perez threw two scoreless innings apiece.
    • Logan Johnson and Andrew Mead drove in a run apiece.

Comments

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 9:57 AM by Fundman
Speaking of scouting - what scout told both Jenks and Logan to rely almost exclusively on breaking balls? It's not like both guys can throw 95....oh wait.......

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 10:28 AM by Jim Margalus
MrHonorama posted the same question in the SOTS recap, and the best way I could answer him is that the Orioles have Jenks spooked.

Numbers vs. Jenks, spanning 10 games, 8 2/3 IP and 46 PA for the O's:

MLB: .227/.294/.317
BAL: .400/.467/.475

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 11:29 AM by striker
I blame Guillen for last night. Everyone knows relievers are less affective when they pitch too many nights in a row. Last night was a perfect example. Jenk's curveball look like meat and it's probably because it was his third straight night of pitching. Guillen needs to realize that Jenks doesn't have to close every game in every save situation. This isn't a fantasy league team.

Linebrink pitched good but it was his third night in a row too and we don't have any days off anytime soon.

Thornton has look great the past few times he's been out and he hasn't pitched much all year. But of course he only faces one batter, a lefty. Boone should have come in to pitch the 7th, Dotel the 8th and Thornton the 9th.

A good manager learns to utilize all of his players. Not the same players over and over in the same situation.

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 11:44 AM by striker
Let's also not forget that even though Jenks is a great reliever, he is overweight, which again will affect his stamina.

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 3:56 PM by Jim Margalus
I don't necessarily disagree with sending Jenks out for a third straight game -- he only threw two pitches the first night, after all, and historically, he's been fine on third consecutive days. But I do agree with you with regards to how Thornton was used, because he's been throwing darts, and somehow MacDougal has been used in as many high-leverage situations so far.

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 4:00 PM by striker
I wonder if there are numbers anywhere that indicate a pitchers era based on days off. I've seen it before just not sure of the source.

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 5:32 PM by dudeman
I'm less concerned with the use of the bullpen than the use of Dye in right fucking field.
That double by Roberts was half due to his speed, and half due to Dye's awful angle on that ball. if they refuse to put Dye in left and Quentin in right, they should at east have the sense to make a defensive substitution late in games we are leading. i know Anderson wouldn't have laet that turn into a double.
But the Sox are good and I am happy. Just one game. But if we miss the playoffs by a game or two, these are the types of games that will burn us. That's baseball!

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 7:18 PM by Salty Dog
Um, I'm going to have to disagree with you dudeman. No doubt Dye can be a huge liability in right, but there was just no getting to that ball. Although I'll confess that for a second a thought flashed into my head, "Man, I hope that's not a triple."

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 7:56 PM by Jim Margalus
With Roberts running, he probably would've been able to turn it into a double without it getting to the wall.

But between you and Joist, we have quite an anti-JD faction brewing here.

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Friday, April 18, 2008 8:28 PM by Jim Margalus
"I wonder if there are numbers anywhere that indicate a pitchers era based on days off. I've seen it before just not sure of the source."

B-R.com's player pages -- just select splits and scroll down the page a little. Click my name for Jenks.

# re: Relievers still a mystery to White Sox

Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:11 PM by dudeman
Not that he is a professional scout or anything, but my buddy was at that game and sat in right field. He said Dye misplayed the ball badly, worse than our television could display. I guess I'm taking his word for it to a certain degree, but he was probably half drunk, so whatever.
And I am by no means anti-Dye, just anti-Dye-in right.
I actually have a bit of a man-crush on Jermaine. Handsome man!